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phyllo wrote: Wed Dec 06, 2023 6:21 pm Just to put a bit of perspective on this :
All the more reason to end Hamas.

All the more reason, too, to end the war in Ukraine.

We're all being played. It's only the incumbent politicians who are winning. America's losing. Israel and Gaza are losing. Ukraine and Russia are both losing. Why are we still agreeing to go along with the warmongers? Are we just thrilled to see the tax dollars American needs flood out to foreign fields and return as profits for the Biden administration?

It's impossible to imagine why.
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Walker wrote: Wed Dec 06, 2023 5:22 pm
I've heard that the investment in Israel is a fraction of the unaccountable money given to Ukraine. It's also a fraction of the money made available to Iran by the Biden administration ignoring sanctions against Iran meant to starve their nuclear ambitions. Biden has also enriched Iran by crippling US oil production.

I've heard that originally, the aid that the US gives to Israel is used by Israel for research and development, and Israel then shares the benefits with the US, free of charge. Win-win for the alliance of the two countries.

Netanyahu said that years ago he realized that Israel would need lots of money for expensive, sophisticated defense systems, so national attention was turned towards technology.

That would be something for the fact checkers to research, although I see no reason to doubt the statement.

Besides, doing an "Opposite George," is the prudent Biden path for We The People, since he is notoriously clueless when it comes to foreign policy, and he should do the opposite of what he thinks he should do, to do the right thing.
Well, if you've "heard" it, it must be true. Some readers might wonder where you heard it. Fox news? Some neo-Nazi podcast? "I've heard" does not constitute persuasive evidence.

Obviously, the potential end game for Israel is to destroy Hamas. Whether they can do this pursuing their current tactics and strategies is problematic.
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duplicate.
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phyllo wrote: Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:47 pm Biden can say at any time :

"You got your pound of flesh, now stop or your billions of dollars of aid is ended"

Why doesn't he say it?
Because there is a CABAL of Zionists who control the economic and financial services in the USA, Europe, and elsewhere.
And despite all my Jewish friends being horrified at Israel's actions in Gaza I can be condemned as an "anti-semite" for suggesting that, or even for criticising Israel.
How much more evidence is required beyond the fact that the US govenment has voted to that criticism of Israel is the same as anti-semitism.
Effectively for Biden to now say to Netanyahu "stop" would make Biden an anti-semite

The horror of this is that anti-semitism is actually growing because of what Israel are doing and the fact that Zionism seems to be such a powerful and suspicious force in the world.
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There is a deep psychological failing in he human mind.

There is a phenomenon whereby people are so concentrated on one thing they fail to see another.
The finest example of this is where subjects asked to count the number of basket ball bounces fail to see the gorilla that walks across their vision.
Such is the case with the Gaza Genocide.
People are so wrapped up with being or supporting Jews; hating Muslims; supporting the received view from the media; supporting their government, be that Israel, UK, or US; or supporting their initial horror of what they see as the start of this October 6th attacks.
This is basketball counting. what they have missed is the 6 foot gorilla that is in plain view. Sometimes called the elephant in the room. And that is the slaughter of Gazan people. and the illegal practices of Israel.
This particular gorilla has been staking the room for 75 years, but seems to be behind a smoke screen called WW2 holocaust by which Israel hides its multiple crimes.

The simple fact is that the way Israel has chosen to wage this conflict can only have one result; to create a new generation of Hamas fighters from the parentless children and childless parents, that now scratch for food and water from the ruins.
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Amazing how with all this 'slaughter and genocide' going on in Gaza, Hamas feels the need to saturate the internet with bizarre images of 6 fingered AI 'victims', women in hospital with bandages OVER their hijabs, people in body bags playing with their cell phones. actors who keep showing up in different disguises (some of them dead)... So no actual victims to film then? Interesting the way Jew-haters like the cretin above believe every bit of crap that comes out of Gaza, yet are oddly silent on the rapes, torture and mass murders that were all filmed by Hamas and gleefully so.
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accelafine wrote: Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:30 am Amazing how with all this 'slaughter and genocide' going on in Gaza, Hamas feels the need to saturate the internet with bizarre images of 6 fingered AI 'victims', women in hospital with bandages OVER their hijabs, people in body bags playing with their cell phones. actors who keep showing up in different disguises (some of them dead)... So no actual victims to film then? Interesting the way Jew-haters like the cretin above believe every bit of crap that comes out of Gaza, yet are oddly silent on the rapes, torture and mass murders that were all filmed by Hamas and gleefully so.
What are you talking about?
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Sculptor wrote: Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:25 pm The simple fact is that the way Israel has chosen to wage this conflict can only have one result; to create a new generation of Hamas fighters from the parentless children and childless parents, that now scratch for food and water from the ruins.
Exactly. It's also breeding anti-Israel thoughts in children of the West Bank, Lebanon and other Islamic countries.

Certainly the IDF should never have bombed residential buildings (destroying them) - war crimes abound.

I think they should have had a ground offensive at the outset using commando and any elite forces first. This would no doubt have more military casualties, but something had to be done but the mass killing of civilians should never be an option.
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attofishpi wrote: Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:51 am
Sculptor wrote: Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:25 pm The simple fact is that the way Israel has chosen to wage this conflict can only have one result; to create a new generation of Hamas fighters from the parentless children and childless parents, that now scratch for food and water from the ruins.
Exactly. It's also breeding anti-Israel thoughts in children of the West Bank, Lebanon and other Islamic countries.

Certainly the IDF should never have bombed residential buildings (destroying them) - war crimes abound.

I think they should have had a ground offensive at the outset using commando and any elite forces first. This would no doubt have more military casualties, but something had to be done but the mass killing of civilians should never be an option.
I'm sure Israel would appreciate your 'sage advice', all the way from Australia ( one of America's little bitches in the ME). Australia, where there were protests calling for the gassing of Jews BEFORE Israel took any action to get the hostages back.
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Did the US give prior warning to Hiroshima and Nagasaki before nuking all those children and elderly? Has there ever been a Govt. that gave prior warning before bombing a place? Why was Hamas stopping Gazans from leaving after Israel's warning? Hmm? Doesn't look like they care about Gazans very much. BTW, all of those orders come from luxury aparments in Qatar. Bloated, well-fed, manicured, pedicured, clipped and primped Hamas c*ntfaces.
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accelafine wrote: Thu Dec 07, 2023 4:50 am
attofishpi wrote: Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:51 am
Sculptor wrote: Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:25 pm The simple fact is that the way Israel has chosen to wage this conflict can only have one result; to create a new generation of Hamas fighters from the parentless children and childless parents, that now scratch for food and water from the ruins.
Exactly. It's also breeding anti-Israel thoughts in children of the West Bank, Lebanon and other Islamic countries.

Certainly the IDF should never have bombed residential buildings (destroying them) - war crimes abound.

I think they should have had a ground offensive at the outset using commando and any elite forces first. This would no doubt have more military casualties, but something had to be done but the mass killing of civilians should never be an option.
I'm sure Israel would appreciate your 'sage advice', all the way from Australia ( one of America's little bitches in the ME). Australia, where there were protests calling for the gassing of Jews BEFORE Israel took any action to get the hostages back.
Probably those of Palestinian birth or descent, people are bound to act on impulsion rather than ethical reasoning.
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Sculptor wrote: Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:41 am
accelafine wrote: Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:30 am Amazing how with all this 'slaughter and genocide' going on in Gaza, Hamas feels the need to saturate the internet with bizarre images of 6 fingered AI 'victims', women in hospital with bandages OVER their hijabs, people in body bags playing with their cell phones. actors who keep showing up in different disguises (some of them dead)... So no actual victims to film then? Interesting the way Jew-haters like the cretin above believe every bit of crap that comes out of Gaza, yet are oddly silent on the rapes, torture and mass murders that were all filmed by Hamas and gleefully so.
What are you talking about?
Better ask your wet dream, Jeremy Corbyn. I understand he is the ventriloquist to your dummy.
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accelafine wrote: Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:08 am
Sculptor wrote: Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:41 am
accelafine wrote: Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:30 am Amazing how with all this 'slaughter and genocide' going on in Gaza, Hamas feels the need to saturate the internet with bizarre images of 6 fingered AI 'victims', women in hospital with bandages OVER their hijabs, people in body bags playing with their cell phones. actors who keep showing up in different disguises (some of them dead)... So no actual victims to film then? Interesting the way Jew-haters like the cretin above believe every bit of crap that comes out of Gaza, yet are oddly silent on the rapes, torture and mass murders that were all filmed by Hamas and gleefully so.
What are you talking about?
Better ask your wet dream, Jeremy Corbyn. I understand he is the ventriloquist to your dummy.
One day you might post something intelligent on this forum, I'm sure we will all be shocked by such an event.
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attofishpi wrote: Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:06 am
accelafine wrote: Thu Dec 07, 2023 4:50 am
attofishpi wrote: Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:51 am

Exactly. It's also breeding anti-Israel thoughts in children of the West Bank, Lebanon and other Islamic countries.

Certainly the IDF should never have bombed residential buildings (destroying them) - war crimes abound.

I think they should have had a ground offensive at the outset using commando and any elite forces first. This would no doubt have more military casualties, but something had to be done but the mass killing of civilians should never be an option.
I'm sure Israel would appreciate your 'sage advice', all the way from Australia ( one of America's little bitches in the ME). Australia, where there were protests calling for the gassing of Jews BEFORE Israel took any action to get the hostages back.
Probably those of Palestinian birth or descent, people are bound to act on impulsion rather than ethical reasoning.
Yeah. I'm sure it's that :roll:
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attofishpi wrote: Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:11 am
accelafine wrote: Thu Dec 07, 2023 5:08 am
Sculptor wrote: Thu Dec 07, 2023 1:41 am

What are you talking about?
Better ask your wet dream, Jeremy Corbyn. I understand he is the ventriloquist to your dummy.
One day you might post something intelligent on this forum, I'm sure we will all be shocked by such an event.
:lol:
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