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What a clown :lol:
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“In Gaza, after the destruction of Hamas, and for a long time thereafter, there will not be a regime that encourages terror, that teaches terror, that funds terror — that also indoctrinates about the destruction of Israel and the murder of Jews — this will not be.” - Benjamin Netanyahu, yesterday.
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accelafine wrote: Sat Nov 18, 2023 7:15 pm
bahman wrote: Sat Nov 18, 2023 5:04 pm
accelafine wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 9:38 pm

What should Israel do? Ask nicely for the return of the hostages? How do you think that would go? How would you go about it?
Israelis should end the occupation!
What 'occupation'? Please explain. No generic buzzwords please- just facts and evidence. Gaza has its own Govt. It became 'independent' in 2005. Yes, it does depend on Israel's kindness for basic necessities like power, water and internet, but that's only because all of its money goes towards making its leaders unimaginably rich in their Qatar mansions.
Please educate yourself. You can simply google it. Here is an example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli-o ... erritories
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Re: Wonkers and Israel

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Janoah wrote: Sat Nov 18, 2023 11:39 pm
bahman wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 5:04 pm
Janoah wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 2:13 pm

But this is demagoguery, Gary. The overwhelming majority of "Palestinians" voted for Hamas in democratic elections.
After the terrorist attacks, "Palestinians" organize public celebrations in the streets.
And on October 7, not only Hamas killed, but also crowds of “non-party people.”
That is correct. But that does not give credit to Israelis for killing 10 times more innocents!
However, I have to admit that this is essentially demagoguery.
Israel is not looking for such idiotic credit, Israel's merit is that it eliminates Hamas, just as ISIS was destroyed in Iraq and Syria, but warned the civilian population to leave the combat zone to the south.
The fact that the civilian population followed Hamas' call not to evacuate, or was stopped by Hamas, is Hamas's responsibility for using the civilian population as human shields.
Why don’t all these world demagogues condemn Hamas for their use of civilians as human shields, and at least one of these demagogues would even say a word?
The population in Gaza could have prospered and built Hong Kong, they would have been helped by the entire world community, but instead, they seriously only worked on terror against Israel, at the expense of this world community, and this must come to an end.
Most civilians in Gaza were killed by bombing! Seriously Israelis just wanted to kill civilians. As you said, in the eyes of Israelis, people in Gaza just support terror.
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bahman wrote: Sun Nov 19, 2023 5:48 pm
Janoah wrote: Sat Nov 18, 2023 11:39 pm
bahman wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 5:04 pm
That is correct. But that does not give credit to Israelis for killing 10 times more innocents!
However, I have to admit that this is essentially demagoguery.
Israel is not looking for such idiotic credit, Israel's merit is that it eliminates Hamas, just as ISIS was destroyed in Iraq and Syria, but warned the civilian population to leave the combat zone to the south.
The fact that the civilian population followed Hamas' call not to evacuate, or was stopped by Hamas, is Hamas's responsibility for using the civilian population as human shields.
Why don’t all these world demagogues condemn Hamas for their use of civilians as human shields, and at least one of these demagogues would even say a word?
The population in Gaza could have prospered and built Hong Kong, they would have been helped by the entire world community, but instead, they seriously only worked on terror against Israel, at the expense of this world community, and this must come to an end.
Most civilians in Gaza were killed by bombing! Seriously Israelis just wanted to kill civilians. As you said, in the eyes of Israelis, people in Gaza just support terror.
Well they did vote them in. They do tolerate the fact that Hamas leaders are billionaires at the expense of Gazans. They did celebrate when Gazans massacred people in Israel. They do use their children as human shields. They do put their military bases in 'false front' hospitals....All of the people being bombed in Gaza are being killed by Hamas leaders, safely ensconced in luxury in Qatar.
Hamas did what it did because it WANTED Israel to react in exactly that way. It even prevented Gazans from evacuating after Israel's warning. That's how much Hamas cares about its own people!
Why else would they take hostages? What other possible reason was there to take those people? Did they turn a Kibbutz into an abattoir (actually abattoirs are kind and compassionate by comparison) because they thought Israel would turn around and say 'Aww. You are right. Here's our country. You can have it. Now we will all leave (including all the Arabs who enjoy equal rights in israel)? And when they took those hostages (many of them babies and children who are now orphaned and terrified) did they think Israel would say 'Pretty please give them back. We will do whatever you want' ? Israel doesn't negotiate with terrorists and baby torturers. Hamas took the hostages because it knew Israel would bomb the crap out of Gaza as a result, then they could claim that Israel killed all the hostages (who are most likely long dead). It's just another way to psychologically torture Israelis.
Why would Hamas leaders give a shit about anything but their own personal fortunes and power? Their personal grooming bill alone would be more than a year's wages of the average Gazan.
Of course, woke twits like you have lapped it all up, just as Hamas' expensive PR consultants said you would.
If humankind survives this, it will be Sharia all around. That's what you get when you attack and destroy muslim countries and then invite them to come and live in your own one. Karma karma karma. You reap as you sow. What goes around comes around. Divine justice. Take your pick.
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Re: Wonkers and Israel

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Walker wrote: Sun Nov 19, 2023 3:21 pm “In Gaza, after the destruction of Hamas, and for a long time thereafter, there will not be a regime that encourages terror, that teaches terror, that funds terror...” — Benjamin Netanyahu
Right.

However, I think what he meant to say is...
“In Gaza, after the destruction of Hamas, and for a long time thereafter, there will not be a regime [other than us] that encourages terror, that teaches terror, that funds terror.” — Benjamin Netanyahu
I mean, it seems quite clear that Netanyahu believes that there's room for only one group of terrorists in the area. And that would be the Israeli military who ensure the continued success of Israel's illegal (internationally condemned) theft and occupation of Palestinian land and homes.

Why is the gigantic stinking gorilla in the room so difficult for some people to see and smell?
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seeds wrote: Sun Nov 19, 2023 7:15 pm
Walker wrote: Sun Nov 19, 2023 3:21 pm “In Gaza, after the destruction of Hamas, and for a long time thereafter, there will not be a regime that encourages terror, that teaches terror, that funds terror...” — Benjamin Netanyahu
Right.

However, I think what he meant to say is...
“In Gaza, after the destruction of Hamas, and for a long time thereafter, there will not be a regime [other than us] that encourages terror, that teaches terror, that funds terror.” — Benjamin Netanyahu
I mean, it seems quite clear that Netanyahu believes that there's room for only one group of terrorists in the area. And that would be the Israeli military who ensure the continued success of Israel's illegal (internationally condemned) theft and occupation of Palestinian land and homes.

Why is the gigantic stinking gorilla in the room so difficult for some people to see and smell?
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Gorillas don't stink. I bet you stink. Do you live in that region? Do you know what the average Israeli wage is compared to Gazan?
By 'internationally condemned' do you mean 'by the UN'? The brilliant minds of UN representatives who keep the world united and in a glorious planetary hug? That UN? The agenda-driven UN that ALWAYS gets everything wrong?

So here we have a ''wonker'' sociopath who is saying that the mass rape and burning alive of children is justified because of bulldozed houses, thus proving the point of the OP.
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accelafine wrote: Sun Nov 19, 2023 6:40 pm
bahman wrote: Sun Nov 19, 2023 5:48 pm
Janoah wrote: Sat Nov 18, 2023 11:39 pm

However, I have to admit that this is essentially demagoguery.
Israel is not looking for such idiotic credit, Israel's merit is that it eliminates Hamas, just as ISIS was destroyed in Iraq and Syria, but warned the civilian population to leave the combat zone to the south.
The fact that the civilian population followed Hamas' call not to evacuate, or was stopped by Hamas, is Hamas's responsibility for using the civilian population as human shields.
Why don’t all these world demagogues condemn Hamas for their use of civilians as human shields, and at least one of these demagogues would even say a word?
The population in Gaza could have prospered and built Hong Kong, they would have been helped by the entire world community, but instead, they seriously only worked on terror against Israel, at the expense of this world community, and this must come to an end.
Most civilians in Gaza were killed by bombing! Seriously Israelis just wanted to kill civilians. As you said, in the eyes of Israelis, people in Gaza just support terror.
Well they did vote them in. They do tolerate the fact that Hamas leaders are billionaires at the expense of Gazans. They did celebrate when Gazans massacred people in Israel. They do use their children as human shields. They do put their military bases in 'false front' hospitals....All of the people being bombed in Gaza are being killed by Hamas leaders, safely ensconced in luxury in Qatar.
Hamas did what it did because it WANTED Israel to react in exactly that way. It even prevented Gazans from evacuating after Israel's warning. That's how much Hamas cares about its own people!
Why else would they take hostages? What other possible reason was there to take those people? Did they turn a Kibbutz into an abattoir (actually abattoirs are kind and compassionate by comparison) because they thought Israel would turn around and say 'Aww. You are right. Here's our country. You can have it. Now we will all leave (including all the Arabs who enjoy equal rights in israel)? And when they took those hostages (many of them babies and children who are now orphaned and terrified) did they think Israel would say 'Pretty please give them back. We will do whatever you want' ? Israel doesn't negotiate with terrorists and baby torturers. Hamas took the hostages because it knew Israel would bomb the crap out of Gaza as a result, then they could claim that Israel killed all the hostages (who are most likely long dead). It's just another way to psychologically torture Israelis.
Why would Hamas leaders give a shit about anything but their own personal fortunes and power? Their personal grooming bill alone would be more than a year's wages of the average Gazan.
Of course, woke twits like you have lapped it all up, just as Hamas' expensive PR consultants said you would.
If humankind survives this, it will be Sharia all around. That's what you get when you attack and destroy muslim countries and then invite them to come and live in your own one. Karma karma karma. You reap as you sow. What goes around comes around. Divine justice. Take your pick.
Hamas did wrong. They are terrorists. Israelis claim to be civilized. Why do they do the same?
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Re: Wonkers and Israel

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accelafine wrote: Sun Nov 19, 2023 7:24 pm
seeds wrote: Sun Nov 19, 2023 7:15 pm
Walker wrote: Sun Nov 19, 2023 3:21 pm “In Gaza, after the destruction of Hamas, and for a long time thereafter, there will not be a regime that encourages terror, that teaches terror, that funds terror...” — Benjamin Netanyahu
Right.

However, I think what he meant to say is...
“In Gaza, after the destruction of Hamas, and for a long time thereafter, there will not be a regime [other than us] that encourages terror, that teaches terror, that funds terror.” — Benjamin Netanyahu
I mean, it seems quite clear that Netanyahu believes that there's room for only one group of terrorists in the area. And that would be the Israeli military who ensure the continued success of Israel's illegal (internationally condemned) theft and occupation of Palestinian land and homes.

Why is the gigantic stinking gorilla in the room so difficult for some people to see and smell?
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Gorillas don't stink.
Perhaps not. And I certainly didn't mean to insult gorillas.
accelafine wrote: Sun Nov 19, 2023 7:24 pm I bet you stink.
I have to admit, I have been known to stink from time to time.

Anyway, just out of curiosity, are you by any chance related to this famous guy?...
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/AyN34sFk ... ture=share
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The Gorilla in the Room

Because, until now folks have blithely thought they understood the meaning of ... War Is Hell. But they didn't understand. Not really. It was just academic theory. Now, the war, the gorilla from hell, is more real.

Consider it an education in reality. The reason for clearing out the rat's nest of terrorists has been gone over, and over, and over. Hamas is committing additional war crimes by embedding in the civilian population while they are moving about the surface in ambulances designed for the wounded, not the un-wounded terrorists.

News reports say that there are now one million in Gaza without a place to live. Most of the sources for the war numbers have been from Hamas and dutifully parroted by the media that hates Israel and Jews. This one million may be a Hamas number, but it could also be Israel's number.

One million displaced, and nobody wants them. Not Egypt, not Syria, not Iraq, not Iran, not Jordan, not Poland. No one wants them. That's because the displaced serve the aim of the terrorists.

300,000 plus civilians have been killed in Syrian civil unrest, many of them children. 20,000 plus civilians killed in Yemen in their tribal disputes. Where's the outrage from the world? Not there, those deaths don't fit the politics.

The gorilla is war, and war is hell. In fact, war is the default condition of the history of the world, but every once in awhile there is peace everywhere on the earth for a short while, like all conflicts that ceased when Buddha became Buddha, and like all the major conflicts that Trump put a stop to, when he became president.

That's a fact, Jack. It takes a tough man to keep hell in a box, and the gorilla caged.

War is hell, you better believe it, but scheduled atrocities such as Hamas committed, as a war tactic? That's a special hell.
That's Genghis Khan country, the monster who literally decimated the population of the whole wide world. One tenth. He specialized in attacking using civilians as a terroristic tactic, just like Hamas.

He was an extra special hell. XXXL Hell.
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Re: Wonkers and Israel

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bahman wrote: Sun Nov 19, 2023 7:49 pm
accelafine wrote: Sun Nov 19, 2023 6:40 pm
bahman wrote: Sun Nov 19, 2023 5:48 pm
Most civilians in Gaza were killed by bombing! Seriously Israelis just wanted to kill civilians. As you said, in the eyes of Israelis, people in Gaza just support terror.
Well they did vote them in. They do tolerate the fact that Hamas leaders are billionaires at the expense of Gazans. They did celebrate when Gazans massacred people in Israel. They do use their children as human shields. They do put their military bases in 'false front' hospitals....All of the people being bombed in Gaza are being killed by Hamas leaders, safely ensconced in luxury in Qatar.
Hamas did what it did because it WANTED Israel to react in exactly that way. It even prevented Gazans from evacuating after Israel's warning. That's how much Hamas cares about its own people!
Why else would they take hostages? What other possible reason was there to take those people? Did they turn a Kibbutz into an abattoir (actually abattoirs are kind and compassionate by comparison) because they thought Israel would turn around and say 'Aww. You are right. Here's our country. You can have it. Now we will all leave (including all the Arabs who enjoy equal rights in israel)? And when they took those hostages (many of them babies and children who are now orphaned and terrified) did they think Israel would say 'Pretty please give them back. We will do whatever you want' ? Israel doesn't negotiate with terrorists and baby torturers. Hamas took the hostages because it knew Israel would bomb the crap out of Gaza as a result, then they could claim that Israel killed all the hostages (who are most likely long dead). It's just another way to psychologically torture Israelis.
Why would Hamas leaders give a shit about anything but their own personal fortunes and power? Their personal grooming bill alone would be more than a year's wages of the average Gazan.
Of course, woke twits like you have lapped it all up, just as Hamas' expensive PR consultants said you would.
If humankind survives this, it will be Sharia all around. That's what you get when you attack and destroy muslim countries and then invite them to come and live in your own one. Karma karma karma. You reap as you sow. What goes around comes around. Divine justice. Take your pick.
Hamas did wrong. They are terrorists. Israelis claim to be civilized. Why do they do the same?
'The same'? What have they done that is 'the same'?
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You might as well say that because all humans die at some point then burning children alive is nothing to be concerned about because we all die anyway. The Holocaust was just another way for humans to die, so stop crying about it. This begs questions about what it means to be human. What is the point of empathy? Compassion? We might as well be termites if that's the case.
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Re: Wonkers and Israel

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accelafine wrote: Sun Nov 19, 2023 11:40 pm
bahman wrote: Sun Nov 19, 2023 7:49 pm
accelafine wrote: Sun Nov 19, 2023 6:40 pm

Well they did vote them in. They do tolerate the fact that Hamas leaders are billionaires at the expense of Gazans. They did celebrate when Gazans massacred people in Israel. They do use their children as human shields. They do put their military bases in 'false front' hospitals....All of the people being bombed in Gaza are being killed by Hamas leaders, safely ensconced in luxury in Qatar.
Hamas did what it did because it WANTED Israel to react in exactly that way. It even prevented Gazans from evacuating after Israel's warning. That's how much Hamas cares about its own people!
Why else would they take hostages? What other possible reason was there to take those people? Did they turn a Kibbutz into an abattoir (actually abattoirs are kind and compassionate by comparison) because they thought Israel would turn around and say 'Aww. You are right. Here's our country. You can have it. Now we will all leave (including all the Arabs who enjoy equal rights in israel)? And when they took those hostages (many of them babies and children who are now orphaned and terrified) did they think Israel would say 'Pretty please give them back. We will do whatever you want' ? Israel doesn't negotiate with terrorists and baby torturers. Hamas took the hostages because it knew Israel would bomb the crap out of Gaza as a result, then they could claim that Israel killed all the hostages (who are most likely long dead). It's just another way to psychologically torture Israelis.
Why would Hamas leaders give a shit about anything but their own personal fortunes and power? Their personal grooming bill alone would be more than a year's wages of the average Gazan.
Of course, woke twits like you have lapped it all up, just as Hamas' expensive PR consultants said you would.
If humankind survives this, it will be Sharia all around. That's what you get when you attack and destroy muslim countries and then invite them to come and live in your own one. Karma karma karma. You reap as you sow. What goes around comes around. Divine justice. Take your pick.
Hamas did wrong. They are terrorists. Israelis claim to be civilized. Why do they do the same?
'The same'? What have they done that is 'the same'?
Killing civilians!
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bahman wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2023 6:21 pm
accelafine wrote: Sun Nov 19, 2023 11:40 pm
bahman wrote: Sun Nov 19, 2023 7:49 pm
Hamas did wrong. They are terrorists. Israelis claim to be civilized. Why do they do the same?
'The same'? What have they done that is 'the same'?
Killing civilians!
Psychopath. Stop pretending to care. It's just boring.
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accelafine wrote: Sun Nov 19, 2023 11:46 pm You might as well say that because all humans die at some point then burning children alive is nothing to be concerned about because we all die anyway. The Holocaust was just another way for humans to die, so stop crying about it. This begs questions about what it means to be human. What is the point of empathy? Compassion? We might as well be termites if that's the case.
Yeah. Why not just drop the bomb now?
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