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[vegetariantaxidermy]

[Atla]

Have 'you' SEEN 'the MESS' 'the world' IS IN, in the days when this is being written? Mostly CAUSED by adult human beings INABILITY TO 'communicate' WITH "each other" properly AND correctly.

That's the fairytale you believe in, but actually you have no idea how the world works. Non-autistics can communicate just fine with each other, that's not what causes 'the mess' 'the world' is in. If only it was that simple lol.

[Age]

Have 'you' SEEN 'the MESS' 'the world' IS IN, in the days when this is being written? Mostly CAUSED by adult human beings INABILITY TO 'communicate' WITH "each other" properly AND correctly.

That's the fairytale you believe in, but actually you have no idea how the world works.

OBVIOUSLY 'you' ARE ABSOLUTELY Wrong AGAIN here "atla".

Non-autistics can communicate just fine with each other,

LOL

REALLY?

And who would you now like to CLAIM are these so-called and so-labeled 'non-autistics', EXACTLY?

By the way, most people KNOW that there IS A DIFFERENCE between 'just fine' AND 'properly and correctly'. But 'you', 'atla", are obviously NOT 'most people', right?

that's not what causes 'the mess' 'the world' is in. If only it was that simple lol.

Okay so what was causing 'the mess' that 'the world' was IN, EXACTLY, back in the days when this was being written?

AND, by the way, ABSOLUTELY EVERY 'thing' IS FAR SIMPLER and FAR EASIER than you IMAGINE and BELIEVE that it is.

[rootseeker]

What do you mean by 'this world'?

Thanks for your reply. By "this world" I mean the observable universe as a scientist would call it. What in this world is original?

I am not sure what you mean by 'original' here.

The two 'things', which exist in the 'observable universe', and thus in the Universe, Itself, are the two 'things', which exist ALWAYS, and it could be argued in ALL WAYS. They are 'matter' AND 'space', which it could be said do exist in their 'original state'. But, in the infinite and eternal Universe 'original' is a term and word that needs to be delved into and explained further.

By original I mean the first instance of a specific pattern. This is in the context of a very speculative and broad question. I've alluded to the extreme of a world in which is simply repeating a deterministic series of events that has already happened in another identical world. In that case nothing is original. But let's say hypothetically that our observable universe is the only universe of space and matter that has ever existed. Let's furthermore hypothetically say that humans were not the first self-aware intelligent life who created machines with tools. Then in that case that what is original here on Earth is the specific family stories of humans such as how they met and interacted with each other. But humans them selves would not be original in that there would be other planets with intelligent animals that came first.

For example, if we exist after an infinity of time has already happened, then perhaps everything has already happened at least once.

It is theoretically possible, although probably extremely unlikely.

Also, 'after an infinity of time has already happened', is not a very good nor Accurate 'description' of what ACTUALLY happens and occurs.

That 'this very precise moment' what is ACTUALLY happening and occurring 'now' perhaps previously happened at least once might be a better and/or more accurate description of what you are trying to get at here. But, that 'this' being actually physically able to happen or occur would be up for further investigation. I am not yet sure that 'this' could actually be physically or empirically even possible or not.

If 'this' could be empirically possible, or not, would 'this' have any bearing on absolutely ANY 'thing' here?

Your more accurate description of a repeating universe is what I meant. Sometimes people want to be first to do or be something. If everything has already been done then shifting focus to another goal or at least re-framing their goals with that in mind might be helpful for them.

[Age]

Thanks for your reply. By "this world" I mean the observable universe as a scientist would call it. What in this world is original?

I am not sure what you mean by 'original' here.

The two 'things', which exist in the 'observable universe', and thus in the Universe, Itself, are the two 'things', which exist ALWAYS, and it could be argued in ALL WAYS. They are 'matter' AND 'space', which it could be said do exist in their 'original state'. But, in the infinite and eternal Universe 'original' is a term and word that needs to be delved into and explained further.

By original I mean the first instance of a specific pattern.

BUT BECAUSE the Universe IS ETERNAL, the ONLY so-called 'first instance of a specific patter' would relate to 'that pattern', which EXISTS, FOREVER. Which is JUST the ALWAYS CONSTANTLY-CHANGING 'pattern' or the 'original CONSTANT-CHANGING 'state' that the Universe, Itself, IS IN. This is HOW the ALWAYS EVOLVING-CREATION 'pattern' WORKS, EXACTLY. 'This' is what IS 'original'.

By the way, WHY do 'you' only want to FIND what is so-called 'original' in A TINY FRACTION of the Universe, Itself?

This is in the context of a very speculative and broad question. I've alluded to the extreme of a world in which is simply repeating a deterministic series of events that has already happened in another identical world.

But WHY ALLUDE to some 'thing' that you could NEVER KNOW was even true or NOT?

AND, what has the OBVIOUSLY 'deterministic series of events' got TO DO WITH some IMAGINED 'identical world' scenarios ANYWAY?

In that case nothing is original.

To you can absolutely ANY 'thing' be so-called 'original' in an ETERNAL Place?

If yes, then what COULD, EXACTLY?

But if no, then so be it. The Universe IS ETERNAL, so NOTHING IS 'original', to you.

But let's say hypothetically that our observable universe is the only universe of space and matter that has ever existed.

Okay. BUT WHY?

WHY look AT some 'thing' here that IS OBVIOUSLY NOT True?

Let's furthermore hypothetically say that humans were not the first self-aware intelligent life who created machines with tools.

'you', human beings, in the days when this was being written were STILL NOT YET 'self-aware life', let alone 'concluding' that 'you' were 'the first'. BUT 'this' is YOUR 'hypothetical story', so let 'us' continue.

Then in that case that what is original here on Earth is the specific family stories of humans such as how they met and interacted with each other. But humans them selves would not be original in that there would be other planets with intelligent animals that came first.

OR, in YOUR 'hypothetical scenarios' here a 'self-aware intelligent life who created machines with tools' could have come BEFORE 'you', human beings, on earth, but which 'you' were just NOT YET AWARE OF.

But, ANYWAY what WAS the PURPOSE of 'this hypothetical situation and story' here?

For example, if we exist after an infinity of time has already happened, then perhaps everything has already happened at least once.

It is theoretically possible, although probably extremely unlikely.

Also, 'after an infinity of time has already happened', is not a very good nor Accurate 'description' of what ACTUALLY happens and occurs.

That 'this very precise moment' what is ACTUALLY happening and occurring 'now' perhaps previously happened at least once might be a better and/or more accurate description of what you are trying to get at here. But, that 'this' being actually physically able to happen or occur would be up for further investigation. I am not yet sure that 'this' could actually be physically or empirically even possible or not.

If 'this' could be empirically possible, or not, would 'this' have any bearing on absolutely ANY 'thing' here?

Your more accurate description of a repeating universe is what I meant. Sometimes people want to be first to do or be something.

And?

If everything has already been done then shifting focus to another goal or at least re-framing their goals with that in mind might be helpful for them.

LOL BUT HOW WOULD ANY one KNOW what 'EXACT OTHER GOAL' TO SHIFT FOCUS ON, EXACTLY? Especially considering the Fact that 'they' would NOT KNOW what has NOT ALREADY HAPPENED. Which, by the way, you just STARTED 'your' sentence here WITH, 'If EVERYTHING has ALREADY BEEN DONE', so this WOULD MEAN that there is ABSOLUTELY and OBVIOUSLY NOT 'another goal' that absolutely ANY could SHIFT FOCUS TO. AS ALL GOALS WOULD HAVE ALREADY HAPPENED, or BEEN DONE, OBVIOUSLY.

[Iwannaplato]

Have 'you' SEEN 'the MESS' 'the world' IS IN, in the days when this is being written? Mostly CAUSED by adult human beings INABILITY TO 'communicate' WITH "each other" properly AND correctly.

That's the fairytale you believe in, but actually you have no idea how the world works. Non-autistics can communicate just fine with each other, that's not what causes 'the mess' 'the world' is in. If only it was that simple lol.

Yes, this is related to the 'really, deep down, we are all the same' hallucination. If we just understood what other people meant we'd all get along well - not to mention all the problems caused because of what people do manage to collaborate on.