Yes, and given that all of us have once experienced and experience still things in our own lives that might be very, very different from what others here have, it becomes all the more problematic when we try communicate what we think and feel about things like numinosity. Some experience it through a God, the God, my God. Some through "the Gods". Some as pantheists through the universe. Some through nature. Some don't experience it at all. The part I root existentially in dasein. And in the Benjamin Button Syndrome. And in "the gap".Maia wrote: ↑Thu Jun 08, 2023 9:08 pmI only know what I experience. I don't try and subject it to any sort of religious interpretation. I'm always more inclined to try and find a physical cause, in fact, hence my speculations about electro-magnetism. But this in no way detracts from the numinous or spiritual significance of the experience, because I don't think such things are separate from the physical world anyway, but rather, a natural part of it.iambiguous wrote: ↑Thu Jun 08, 2023 8:53 pmIt may well be basic but how it is manifested is, in my view, existential. And then the part where communication breaks down over and over again in regard to moral and political convictions. Someone may "just know" this is true spiritually about a particular set of behaviors while another "just knows" that it is not true spiritually.Maia wrote: ↑Thu Jun 08, 2023 5:43 pm
I suspect that the spiritual experience itself is basic to all of us. The religious interpretations that people put on it, however, are products of human thought, and we all know how that can turn out. Personally, I try my best to strip away all such interpretation, though I'm not saying I'm completely successful in that.
And we will just have to agree to disagree regarding the role that dasein plays in all of this. The part where you agree that given new experiences, new relationships, and access to new information and knowledge you may change your mind about something. But only up to that crucial point...the part where your deep down inside spiritual Self makes the ultimate judgment. Something now completely alien to me.
Though even here this depends on the extent to which I understand your own frame of mind. Which, of course, takes me back to the no-getting-around-it fact that you and I have lived very different lives. So, really, what can we actually grasp about such complex assessments like these. I'm fractured and fragmented, you're not. In fact, I'm not even close to being on solid ground regarding my own sense of reality here.
But the part that you attribute more to what I construe to be this deep down inside you intrinsic, spiritual, intuitive Self that transcends the existential parameters of my own considerably more fractured and fragmented "self".
And beyond that we may never go.