All matter is energy subject to the three forces. As well there is electromagnetism, magnetism, and light which predated the primordial pond, cells, and molecules. As motion and sound go together what is motionless, without vibration, would be soundless. Once there is vibration there is sound. The koan ‘what is the sound of one hand clapping?’ questions whether sound exists independently of duality (two hands). ‘If a tree falls in the forest does it make a sound?’ questions whether sound requires to be heard in order to exist. The human ear hears a limited range of sound. The primordial sound is said to have been a hum, if it is still structuring manifestation we do not know it, as it is inaudible to the human ear. Man is at the top of the food chain and is a god in that sense as all nature looks to him to evolve upward, or inward. That he is not a God, capital G, is apparent because he is interdependent. Any God that may exist cannot be faulted for his behavior.popeye1945 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 7:36 pmowl of Minerva wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 2:08 pm Sound, Time, Space, and the Atom. The original four ideas, referred to as Manu since ancient times. Where it all began, not in some primordial slime. Devolution, Evolution, Involution. Can’t ignore the first or the third stages in comprehending the nature of reality. Or of man. If he did not originate the four ideas, then he is the product of them, formed by them, subject to them. His godlike status is bogus.PopModern science tells us all is energy. Historically, they had searched for the elemental stuff that makes up all matter, only to find out that matter is not made of matter. There isn't any sound in the physical world, for like everything else about apparent reality, sound is a biological readout. Apparent reality is caused by man, or rather it is an emergent quality caused by the energies that surround us and how they alter our biology of senses, so in essence apparent reality is biological reactions utterly relevant to biological consciousness. The general primordial conditions for life to have arisen is termed in general the primordial pond, probably the ocean. It kind of explains how starting with the first self-replicating molecule in this primordial pool, how we ended up after the pool was depleted of its elementary nourishment, we ended up with a situation where life lives upon life. Got you on the last point, for God was made in the image of man, and just a cruel and irrational as his creators.
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True, that's because there may not even have been one.
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Indeed, all is in motion, but anything one can wonder about is biologically dependent, including sound, color, and objects. Apparent reality, our everyday reality is a biological readout, all that is manifest is done so by biological consciousness. Our subjectivity is inescapable, inferring that the melody of apparent reality is only known to the conscious subject. To that which is adapted to Kaos, Kaos becomes order. Primordial sound, there is and was no such creature, if there was no biological consciousness to be affected by primordial vibrations. Humanity is not a marker for others evolving upward, adaptation is to the earth and the cosmos, not humanity.owl of Minerva wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 10:03 pmAll matter is energy subject to the three forces. As well there is electromagnetism, magnetism, and light which predated the primordial pond, cells, and molecules. As motion and sound go together what is motionless, without vibration, would be soundless. Once there is vibration there is sound. The Koran ‘what is the sound of one hand clapping?’ questions whether sound exists independently of duality (two hands). ‘If a tree falls in the forest, does it make a sound?’ questions whether sound requires to be heard in order to exist. The human ear hears a limited range of sounds. The primordial sound is said to have been a hum, if it is still structuring manifestation, we do not know it, as it is inaudible to the human ear. Man is at the top of the food chain and is a god in that sense as all nature looks to him to evolve upward, or inward. That he is not a God, capital G, is apparent because he is interdependent. Any God that may exist cannot be faulted for his behavior.popeye1945 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 7:36 pmowl of Minerva wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 2:08 pm Sound, Time, Space, and the Atom. The original four ideas, referred to as Manu since ancient times. Where it all began, not in some primordial slime. Devolution, Evolution, Involution. Can’t ignore the first or the third stages in comprehending the nature of reality. Or of man. If he did not originate the four ideas, then he is the product of them, formed by them, subject to them. His godlike status is bogus.PopModern science tells us all is energy. Historically, they had searched for the elemental stuff that makes up all matter, only to find out that matter is not made of matter. There isn't any sound in the physical world, for like everything else about apparent reality, sound is a biological readout. Apparent reality is caused by man, or rather it is an emergent quality caused by the energies that surround us and how they alter our biology of senses, so in essence apparent reality is biological reactions utterly relevant to biological consciousness. The general primordial conditions for life to have arisen is termed in general the primordial pond, probably the ocean. It kind of explains how starting with the first self-replicating molecule in this primordial pool, how we ended up after the pool was depleted of its elementary nourishment, we ended up with a situation where life lives upon life. Got you on the last point, for God was made in the image of man, and just a cruel and irrational as his creators.
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If 'matter' is, supposedly, NOT made up of 'matter', then are you here saying or suggesting that 'matter' is made up of 'energy'?popeye1945 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 7:36 pmModern science tells us all is energy. Historically, they had searched for the elemental stuff that makes up all matter, only to find out that matter is not made of matter.owl of Minerva wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 2:08 pm Sound, Time, Space, and the Atom. The original four ideas, referred to as Manu since ancient times. Where it all began, not in some primordial slime. Devolution, Evolution, Involution. Can’t ignore the first or the third stages in comprehending the nature of reality. Or of man. If he did not originate the four ideas, then he is the product of them, formed by them, subject to them. His godlike status is bogus.
If yes, then what is 'energy' made up of, EXACTLY?
And, let us NOT FORGET that the so-called 'modern science' of ALL the ages has turned out to be Wrong, on occasions.
So, what IS 'it', or what COULD BE 'it', EXACTLY, which is CAUSING the 'apparent reality' among 'you', human beings?popeye1945 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 7:36 pm There isn't any sound in the physical world, for like everything else about apparent reality, sound is a biological readout. Apparent reality is caused by man, or rather it is an emergent quality caused by the energies that surround us and how they alter our biology of senses, so in essence apparent reality is biological reactions utterly relevant to biological consciousness.
Could 'it' just BE 'ACTUAL Reality', Itself, instead of this 'apparent reality' 'you', human beings, go on about?
So, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING was 'alive' BEFORE 'the ocean' came along or 'came alive', right?popeye1945 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 7:36 pm The general primordial conditions for life to have arisen is termed in general the primordial pond, probably the ocean.
So, so-called 'modern science' was, in the days when this was being written, STILL SO FAR BEHIND that 'its' 'current position' was; 'it all started with some 'self-replicating thing'.popeye1945 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 7:36 pm It kind of explains how starting with the first self-replicating molecule in this primordial pool, how we ended up after the pool was depleted of its elementary nourishment, we ended up with a situation where life lives upon life. Got you on the last point, for God was made in the image of man, and just a cruel and irrational as his creators.
Which there IS FAR MORE TRUTH TO than the 'apparent or relative truth' that most so-called "scientists" where LOOKING AT and SEEING here.
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WHY did 'you', "owl of minerva", CHANGE the ACTUAL words that "popeye1945" ACTUALLY WROTE?owl of Minerva wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 10:03 pmAll matter is energy subject to the three forces. As well there is electromagnetism, magnetism, and light which predated the primordial pond, cells, and molecules. As motion and sound go together what is motionless, without vibration, would be soundless. Once there is vibration there is sound. The koan ‘what is the sound of one hand clapping?’ questions whether sound exists independently of duality (two hands). ‘If a tree falls in the forest does it make a sound?’ questions whether sound requires to be heard in order to exist. The human ear hears a limited range of sound. The primordial sound is said to have been a hum, if it is still structuring manifestation we do not know it, as it is inaudible to the human ear. Man is at the top of the food chain and is a god in that sense as all nature looks to him to evolve upward, or inward. That he is not a God, capital G, is apparent because he is interdependent. Any God that may exist cannot be faulted for his behavior.popeye1945 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 7:36 pmowl of Minerva wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 2:08 pm Sound, Time, Space, and the Atom. The original four ideas, referred to as Manu since ancient times. Where it all began, not in some primordial slime. Devolution, Evolution, Involution. Can’t ignore the first or the third stages in comprehending the nature of reality. Or of man. If he did not originate the four ideas, then he is the product of them, formed by them, subject to them. His godlike status is bogus.PopModern science tells us all is energy. Historically, they had searched for the elemental stuff that makes up all matter, only to find out that matter is not made of matter. There isn't any sound in the physical world, for like everything else about apparent reality, sound is a biological readout. Apparent reality is caused by man, or rather it is an emergent quality caused by the energies that surround us and how they alter our biology of senses, so in essence apparent reality is biological reactions utterly relevant to biological consciousness. The general primordial conditions for life to have arisen is termed in general the primordial pond, probably the ocean. It kind of explains how starting with the first self-replicating molecule in this primordial pool, how we ended up after the pool was depleted of its elementary nourishment, we ended up with a situation where life lives upon life. Got you on the last point, for God was made in the image of man, and just a cruel and irrational as his creators.
That could be classed as being VERY DECEITFUL, could it not?
Also, WHY do you refer to 'God' as a "he"?
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But what do the three words, 'the big bang', refer to, EXACTLY?
Are there NOT 'many bangs' happening and occurring, and 'the big bang' just being the PERCEIVED, or ALLEGED, 'biggest one of them'.
The Universe IS, IRREFUTABLY, infinite anyway, so 'the big bang' is just ONE of MANY 'bangs'.
As for ANY 'bangs' being 'silent', or not, then to who and/or what, EXACTLY?