There is an interplay between the conscious and the subconscious to the degree that consciousness feeds into the subconscious and the subconscious speaks to what is deemed the conscious activities/behaviors of the day. I think Jung established that pretty certainly.owl of Minerva wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 2:52 pmThe mind of the dreamer does not consciously choreograph anything as it is asleep while the subconscious mind is active. There may be nonsense dreams; a processing of the events of the day.popeye1945 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 1:41 amYeah, but the dreamer is the choreographer, how does one express one's self in relation to others and the context of the inner world in general. It is interesting to try to interpret one's dreams, sometimes it is self-evident of what significant aspects of the nightly drama mean to one. Other aspects of dreams, maybe elements of childhood long forgotten consciously, this is one reason it is so difficult to understand sometimes what any individual in any given time frame is reacting to, one thing certain is that it is all process. The conscious and the subconsciousnes and their interactions contribute to one's ever-growing identity and behaviors of the moment.owl of Minerva wrote: ↑Wed Feb 22, 2023 12:20 am
There is a difference between a simulated reality and a dream. A simulation could be consciously created, as for example a computer simulation. A dream is not a simulation of any particular reality, it is its own reality.
Our minds are not expansive enough or powerful enough to dream a universal dream reality. In our dreams our dream people are not conscious. While we are conscious within the universal dream, it is not our dream.
A deity’s consciousness in contrast can be divided into both dreaming consciousness and non-dreaming consciousness with the dreaming consciousness resulting from a play of ideas on it by the awake consciousness of the deity who can simultaneously be both dreaming and awake; consciously transcendent to the dream.
Ancient kings were right to have a dream interpreter for dreams that were significant, especially dreams that were prophetic, advising of the likely outcome of a potential conflict with an adversary. Whether it was better to go full speed ahead or stay low until a more auspicious time. The fates being suitably aligned for victory being considered of the utmost importance. As the saying goes, timing is everything. [/quote]
That would be mind reading without much in the way of credibility. They would be far better off consulting the book, "The Art of War."
If consciousness is the substance of everything, a universal subconsciousness that tosses everything up into manifestation, it is not a hard problem, as we could understand it from our own experience in dreams. If it is not, then the hard problem remains, what is it? If dumb matter evolved it, evolved in this case meaning created it, that would be miraculous. [/quote]
Consciousness was assumed by Spinoza to arise from substance/God, but we know now that energy is the more fundamental; and we at least suspect that there are only things/objects for a conscious subject, the conscious subject being itself energy. In which case all is the interplay of energy fields. Just as we were wrong calling space empty so too, we are wrong calling matter inanimate, if inferring inactivity, for its all energy in a grand play of energies, out of which life as consciousness arose.
If it was always there until being unsheathed through evolution in the four kingdoms, mineral, plant, animal, and human, with its destination being Superman, unity with Itself, as they perceive it to be in the East, it would have a purpose. A dream creation and a final waking up from the dream with the dream and dreamer united in one conscious mind. As happens with us when we wake from our nightly dreams. [/quote]
To dream a dream where it might seem---------------?
The Western perspective that matter created it makes matter godlike and that is how materialists perceive matter.
For a while yet, ultimate reality will remain a shadow world.
Surely that is old school now that we know all is energy.
The two views may be compatible if consciousness is considered to be the substance of everything. The only thing to be resolved is whether it is just dreaming consciousness alone, or both, a dreaming consciousness and a consciousness that is transcendent to the dream. The latter appears more likely, as it would make sense of it all.