Harbal wrote: ↑Sat Jan 28, 2023 10:23 am
Age wrote: ↑Sat Jan 28, 2023 3:16 am
Harbal wrote: ↑Fri Jan 27, 2023 12:53 pm
Evolution is not a process with an end result in mind.
And you KNOW this HOW.
I don't know it. In my understanding of how evolution works, it is not a teleological process, it has no predetermined end result.
It sure does APPEAR this way, and especially in the days when this is being written. But, is there A 'way of living', internally instinctual within that body?
If yes, then what is that 'way of living'?
But if no, then are you absolutely SURE?
Harbal wrote: ↑Sat Jan 28, 2023 10:23 am
Also, has ANY one SAID otherwise?
I think some people do believe that evolution has a predetermined goal, so I suppose some of them will have said otherwise.
But have you actually heard ANY one say or express that evolution has a predetermined goal?
Harbal wrote: ↑Sat Jan 28, 2023 10:23 am
Age wrote:Harbal wrote: Evolution doesn't have a mind.
And NEITHER do you human beings, but a LOT of 'you', adult human beings, KEEP TELLING and INFORMING me that 'you' do.
To say that human beings don't have minds seems an odd thing to say.
WHY, EXACTLY?
Are ANY of you human beings even able to EXPLAIN, FULLY, what this so called 'mind' 'thing' IS, EXACTLY?
Harbal wrote: ↑Sat Jan 28, 2023 10:23 am
I don't know why you said it, or if it is relevant to our conversation.
Well considering you were 'trying to' state an absolute irrefutable fact I was just adding on to 'it'.
Harbal wrote: ↑Sat Jan 28, 2023 10:23 am
Age wrote:Harbal wrote: Natural selection gradually moulds a species to best thrive in its environment.
What do you mean by 'its environment'?
I mean the habitat in which a creature lives.
Well EVERY 'creature', you know of, lives on earth, AND within the Universe. So, it could be said or argued that the habitat in which EVERY creature lives is the habitat of earth, and/or of the Universe, Itself, correct?
Harbal wrote: ↑Sat Jan 28, 2023 10:23 am
Are there as MANY 'environments' are there as there are 'its'?
I don't think so.
Will you list some of these DIFFERENT 'environments' that you speak of here?
Forest, ocean, river, under a rock.
And which habitat does the human being live in, EXACTLY?
Harbal wrote: ↑Sat Jan 28, 2023 10:23 am
Age wrote:Harbal wrote: Human beings do change their environment,
What do you ACTUALLY MEAN by 'their environment'?
I mean the physical place where they live.
So, which one of the specific habitats or environments, which you listed above, are human beings and which they change?
Harbal wrote: ↑Sat Jan 28, 2023 10:23 am
And by, "change their environment", I mean, for example, chop down trees in order to create fields.
Okay.
Harbal wrote: ↑Sat Jan 28, 2023 10:23 am
Age wrote:Harbal wrote: and while natural selection is what brought about our ability and tendency to do that, it didn't do it as part of a plan.
AGAIN, and you KNOW this HOW, EXACTLY?
Also, is this just what you BELIEVE is true, or what you KNOW, without ANY IRREFUTABLE DOUBT, is an ACTUAL IRREFUTABLE Truth?
Or, is there some 'thing' else 'at play' here?
It is just my own understanding of how evolution works, and I am not aware of anything else "at play".
So, again, you are NOT absolutely SURE that there is NOT some 'plan' instinctively built WITHIN, the dna of, for example, organisms, creatures, nor of Life, Itself, right?
Harbal wrote: ↑Sat Jan 28, 2023 10:23 am
Age wrote:Harbal wrote: Evolution made us adaptable, but it didn't make us able to function optimally in absolutely any conditions, and it didn't programme us with a fail safe that prevents us from creating a physical and social environment that forces us to behave in ways that clash and conflict with aspects of our nature that became set when we lived in a very different environment with a very different life style.
To me this sounds a lot like BLAME, 'self-justification', MINIMIZATION, or just plain OLD DENIAL. But, then again, you might be meaning and/or referring to some 'thing' ELSE here.
I am just describing a situation as I understand it. I have no interest in blaming, self-justifying, or denying anything.
Okay. Can you think of ANY condition that human beings have been made able to function 'optimally' in or with?
And, when you say 'optimally' in regards to human beings being made 'adaptable' to, what do you mean EXACTLY?
Harbal wrote: ↑Sat Jan 28, 2023 10:23 am
Age wrote:Harbal wrote: Maybe it is a fundamental principle of nature that every system eventually breaks down, or burns itself out.
OR, just KEEPS EVOLVING, KEEPS PROGRESSING, and just KEEPS GETTING BETTER.
What keeps evolving, progressing and getting better?
Did you think or ASSUME that I was saying that there is some 'thing' that keeps evolving, progressing and getting better?
If yes, then WHY?
But if no, then I am NOT sure WHY you would ask me this question here.
Oh, and by the way, NOT EVERY 'system' eventually breaks down, NOR burns itself out.
Harbal wrote: ↑Sat Jan 28, 2023 10:23 am
Age wrote:Harbal wrote: Perhaps humanity is currently in the later stages of natural decay.
Or, PERHAPS 'humanity' is on the VERY CUSP of evolving or transitioning into the next stage, and just about to take the step up and onto the next rung of the ladder, or onto the next step of the stairway to 'Heaven', and move on into ANOTHER completely PROFOUND and/or REVEALING stage of evolution, as comparable or more so to as WHEN human beings evolved OUT OF the 'ape' stage, and UP, ONTO, and INTO the human being stage.
I have no idea of what you envisage when you say that, but it sounds a bit unrealistic to me.
Okay.