Yeah, it was a copy and past issue. It is a shame that I didn't pay attention to my reading.Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Mon Jan 16, 2023 3:53 pmNo worries. I figured is was a pasting thing.bahman wrote: ↑Mon Jan 16, 2023 3:26 pmSorry for the doubling at the start of the sentence.Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Mon Jan 16, 2023 3:10 pm I don't know if the beginning's doubling is on purpose, but yes, the latter part of the sentence works for me.
Consiousness is inert therefore there is a mind
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Re: Consiousness is inert therefore there is a mind
I don't think so. Consider a large asteroid hurtling toward the Cretaceous Earth, causing a mass extinction. It has not decided to do that. It has no ability to decide anything. Nevertheless, it has the ability to cause.
So "The ability to decide is necessary in order to cause" is false.
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The decision becomes necessary when there is a conflict of interest, what should I do, where should I go, etc.mickthinks wrote: ↑Thu Jan 26, 2023 12:53 pmI don't think so. Consider a large asteroid hurtling toward the Cretaceous Earth, causing a mass extinction. It has not decided to do that. It has no ability to decide anything. Nevertheless, it has the ability to cause.
So "The ability to decide is necessary in order to cause" is false.
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I see two problems with "The decision becomes necessary when there is a conflict of interest ..." in this context.
Firstly, if the ability to decide is not always necessary, then it isn't logically necessary and your argument (causation entails ability to decide) fails. I think your argument fails and "The decision becomes necessary when ... " is an admission that is fatal to it.
Secondly, "when there is a conflict of interest, what should I do, where should I go, etc." presumes a conscious mind. That is, this "conflict of interest" condition for causation begs the question. You have assumed here in the premiss the truth of the conclusion you are trying to derive.
Firstly, if the ability to decide is not always necessary, then it isn't logically necessary and your argument (causation entails ability to decide) fails. I think your argument fails and "The decision becomes necessary when ... " is an admission that is fatal to it.
Secondly, "when there is a conflict of interest, what should I do, where should I go, etc." presumes a conscious mind. That is, this "conflict of interest" condition for causation begs the question. You have assumed here in the premiss the truth of the conclusion you are trying to derive.
Re: Consiousness is inert therefore there is a mind
No. That does not follow. There are times when a decision is necessary and there are times when a decision is not necessary.mickthinks wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 12:40 pm I see two problems with "The decision becomes necessary when there is a conflict of interest ..." in this context.
Firstly, if the ability to decide is not always necessary, then it isn't logically necessary and your argument (causation entails ability to decide) fails.
No.mickthinks wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 12:40 pm I think your argument fails and "The decision becomes necessary when ... " is an admission that is fatal to it.
You choose one of the options that are available instead of hanging around until the end of time.mickthinks wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 12:40 pm Secondly, "when there is a conflict of interest, what should I do, where should I go, etc." presumes a conscious mind. That is, this "conflict of interest" condition for causation begs the question. You have assumed here in the premiss the truth of the conclusion you are trying to derive.
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Hmmm ...
Is it possible you don't understand necessary truths and entailment? It seems like it.bahman wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 4:32 pmNo. That does not follow. There are times when a decision is necessary and there are times when a decision is not necessary.mickthinks wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 12:40 pm I see two problems with "The decision becomes necessary when there is a conflict of interest ..." in this context.
Firstly, if the ability to decide is not always necessary, then it isn't logically necessary and your argument (causation entails ability to decide) fails.
Is it possible you don't understand circular arguments and why they fail? It seems like it.You choose one of the options that are available instead of hanging around until the end of time.mickthinks wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 12:40 pm Secondly, "when there is a conflict of interest, what should I do, where should I go, etc." presumes a conscious mind. That is, this "conflict of interest" condition for causation begs the question. You have assumed here in the premiss the truth of the conclusion you are trying to derive.
Re: Consiousness is inert therefore there is a mind
I understand what the truth is. It seems that you don't understand what I said.mickthinks wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 10:00 pm Hmmm ...Is it possible you don't understand necessary truths and entailment? It seems like it.bahman wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 4:32 pmNo. That does not follow. There are times when a decision is necessary and there are times when a decision is not necessary.mickthinks wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 12:40 pm I see two problems with "The decision becomes necessary when there is a conflict of interest ..." in this context.
Firstly, if the ability to decide is not always necessary, then it isn't logically necessary and your argument (causation entails ability to decide) fails.
I understand what a circular argument is. It seems that you don't understand what I said.mickthinks wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 12:40 pmIs it possible you don't understand circular arguments and why they fail? It seems like it.You choose one of the options that are available instead of hanging around until the end of time.mickthinks wrote: ↑Tue Jan 31, 2023 12:40 pm Secondly, "when there is a conflict of interest, what should I do, where should I go, etc." presumes a conscious mind. That is, this "conflict of interest" condition for causation begs the question. You have assumed here in the premiss the truth of the conclusion you are trying to derive.