It may not be your point, Brother Immanuel, that much is true. But it is very much a part of the set of points I work with.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun Oct 16, 2022 3:46 pm Not the point.
You were trying to say what the Christian account of things is. That you disbelieve that account is irrelevant to whether or not that is, in fact, the Christian account.
Thus, the entire story is a picture that had its day (as one could say) but its day has ended -- if one is really looking for a descriptive story as to why things are as they are.
Of course I did refer to all this but you have made, and cannot make, and substantive comment about it:
It therefore became necessary to try to understand why all this was the way it was. Why it was happening. And what sort of world this world was and why we are here. However, the consideration of these issues and questions did not begin with the Hebrews. In fact it could fairly be asserted that the Hebrews both borrowed and also distorted the ideas and teachings of other peoples and 'concocted' an ethnocentric and actually rather vicious and terrible tribal philosophy. If this is so, and if it is true that the same tendencies are still visible and recognizable in the Christian conception, then it becom es at that point obligatory to examine the stories themselves and the content of what is asserted in these stories.
That is, to state that they are not *real* in the sense of genuine histories or historical descriptions, but contrivances by a priest-class for whole sets of reasons. Again, I assert that that is the *mature man's* path. The *immature man* requires special examination.
If one believes that the ills of the world, the reality of the very nature of the natural systems that exist in our world, and likely in others, have been caused by those ur-humans, one is believing a rather stupid story. There is not other word but to say *a lie*.
The story that you believe in -- as if it is a real history! -- is the foundation of your interpretation of world.