Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 12:38 pm
Walker wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 11:24 am
This is one of the clearest explanations you’re going to find concerning meditation, which is great because it saves me the bother of explaining it to resistance. With his emphasis on the aspect of shamatha, I know Roy will appreciate it. Any questions?
Step by step is easy to explain, but useless without the view.
The view.
How Meditation Works
https://www.shinzen.org/wp-content/uplo ... rt_How.pdf
Meditation is overrated. It's implies two things...the doer and the doing. The fixer and the fixing.
'Meditation' can also be seen as just 'shutting up' and 'sitting STILL', which just being IN AWARENESS, Itself.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 12:38 pm
Every alive creature with an awareness will be fixated on something or other, it's just how awareness works.
How about just being One with Itself, and focusing on how there is REALLY ONLY just One? Or, just being one with Nature, as some might say.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 12:38 pm
Thoughts are free to come and go anyway,
After a particular age it is actually near impossible to stop them, for any real length of time, well I have found anyway.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 12:38 pm
no human being has any control over them,
This is because of 'what' 'you', human beings, are, EXACTLY.
But just like human beings have evolved 'out of' "other things", so to just the REAL and ONLY One evolve 'out of' 'you', human beings, and/or the human being different states.
Just like 'emotions' can be controlled so to can 'thoughts' also. With the more understanding and knowing of who the REAL one and only One in Life is helps exponentially with and over this 'control'.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 12:38 pm
because 'thoughts' are not bound or fixed in one location that can be pinpointed and erased completely from being. We can only control our reactions to thought...
But it is 'thought', itself, that controls human being's 'reactions', or more correctly human being's behaviors.
Once control over 'thought' is mastered, then so to can, and will come, thee Truly peaceful and harmonious life, which we have ALL been wanting, seeking, and desiring.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 12:38 pm
and not control the thoughts.
What is the time-frame between 'thought' and 'reaction' (or 'behavior')?
And who, or what, exactly, has supposed 'control' within that time-frame?
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 12:38 pm
If a sad thought arises, there is no one who chose to have that sad thought.
I do not think ANY one would choose to have a so-called 'sad thought'. But an 'emotional' would certainly have some contributing part to 'that thought', correct?
And, we to me anyway, 'emotions' are just 'signals' or 'sign posts' of what is happening in 'that world' outside of or external to 'that body', with 'that emotion'.
Now, if there is absolutely NO one who can have ANY control over 'emotions' and/or 'thoughts', then absolutely NO one is to be blamed for, nor needs to accept and take responsibility for the way 'the world' is, at any given moment or time.
If no one is choosing their sad thoughts, then who the heck is choosing to be thoughtfree of sad thoughts?
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 12:38 pm
Mediation implies two things..it implies there is a thinker, who can then remove their own thoughts...that's just BS
That there is a 'thinker,' I, literally, think is NOT "bull shit", nor a lie. And, OBVIOUS a 'thinker' could NOT remove 'the thinking' just like a "christian" could NOT remove 'the christ', or an "american" could remove 'the america'.
There are OBVIOUSLY 'thinking' beings, correct?
If yes, then these just have the label 'you', human beings, attached to them, correct?
One has to 'step out of', 'move past', or 'evolve further or more', to be able to 'step back' at LOOK AT "oneself" and/or the 'thoughts' arising, BEFORE they arise to be able to stop or control 'those thoughts'. It is therefore NOT 'the thinker' that is stopping 'thoughts', but the One who is KNOWN as the Knower who can do this.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 12:38 pm
Mediation is for dead people...or it is for house plants, or it is for the mentally ill.
Now, just be and live an ordinary life, that's all that's happening here anyway. Resistance to this immediate what is moment, is futile.
Could this 'Im-mediate
what IS moment' be related to mediation, somehow?
Or, is this NOT possible, in 'your world', "dontaskme"?
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 12:38 pm
Reactions to thoughts can be flushed down the shitter. But thoughts are here to stay, there is no refuge for thoughts.
How does one STOP the 'reaction' when one ALREADY has their 'finger on the trigger', for example?
Would it not be better to STOP 'the thought', "I want to KILL them", FIRST, instead of 'trying to' STOP the 'reaction' AFTER 'that thought'?
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Sep 05, 2022 12:38 pm
No matter how thoughtfree you think you may be feeling in any given moment...if a tree is falling in the forest ..and you are walking peacefully unaware, without the thought popping up to make you aware the tree might just be falling on your bonce, and you'll be thankful for it being there...it might just save your life...
Walking while not necessarily thinking of anything, does NOT mean that 'you' are blissfully unaware of absolutely EVERY thing. Obviously there is still some sort of Awareness going on, and some might argue there is actually more so, as well as some sort of 'thought process' involved, telling the feet to put one of them in front of the other. And, if a tree did start falling, or a snake, lion, crocodile, or buffalo jumped out in front of 'you', 'you' do NOT stay 'thought free' and UNAWARE. 'Thoughts' will arise BEFORE absolutely ANY knowing of them arises, which, those 'thoughts' will make the body react, for safety, BEFORE ANY control of 'those reaction' could ever take place.