bahman wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 9:04 pm
He could create a perfect world. Instead, He prefers to leave us in a state of ignorance until death by creating an imperfect world for a purpose that we should not know. I call this nonsense.
seeds wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 7:55 pm
He (she/it)
has indeed created the perfect world. You are just not conscious enough to realize it.
bahman wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 2:11 pm
The fact that we are not conscious enough means that the world He created is not perfect.
Does the fact that a human fetus is not yet fully-conscious while it is suspended within its mother's womb, mean that her womb is not "perfect" for the purpose of bringing that fetus into existence?
Well, the same thing applies to God's
"cosmic womb" (the universe) and how it is the perfect physiological structure for bringing our minds/eternal souls into existence.
bahman, I have a newsflash for you:
I know you believe otherwise, but your mind did not exist prior to your birth on this planet.
The bottom line is that even God requires an ordered process by-which to awaken her offspring into existence (as opposed to the "snap" of divine fingers).
seeds wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 7:55 pm
In which case, the existence of evil is one of the primary ways that helps to keep God (and the truth of our ultimate destiny) hidden from us. And that's because it makes humans doubt that a loving Creator could exist and at the same time not do something about the
"problem of evil."
bahman wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 9:04 pm
So you agree that God is responsible for the existence of evil?
seeds wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 11:40 pm
Yes!
bahman wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 2:11 pm
So, you have no right to complain about evil. Correct?
Rather than complaining about evil...
(though I must admit that I've done my fair share of that)
...I nevertheless prefer trying to do something about it.
seeds wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 7:55 pm
Just out of curiosity, what are the evil aspects of this world that you think God should eliminate?
bahman wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 9:04 pm
Well, all forms of evil. That is a necessary thing to be done by a good God.
seeds wrote: ↑Wed May 25, 2022 11:40 pm
Try to do some critical thinking on this issue. First of all...
- 1. That which was "evil" for the dinosaurs (an asteroid impact) was "good" for the flourishing of mammals such as us.
2. That which is "evil" for the gazelle (the fangs and claws of a lion) is "good" for the lion's survival.
3. That which is "evil" for humans (devastating river floods) is "good" for replenishing nutrients in the soil.
And that list could go on and on.
So, come on now, bahman, name for us a few of the
specific evils that you think God should eliminate, instead of your broad declaration that all forms of evil must be done away with.
bahman wrote: ↑Thu May 26, 2022 2:11 pm
All forms of evil.
What is it about the request to name some
"specific" evils of the world that you don't understand?
Just to simplify this, look at the world and pick out, say,
3 specific evils that you think God should eliminate.
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