Here is an example of an intelligent way of looking at and seeing things here.Advocate wrote: ↑Mon Feb 21, 2022 2:16 pm a persistent pattern of anger, argumentativeness, or vindictiveness
First, it says 1-15% of kids have it. That's not even a statistic, that's a guess. Also, if 15% of kids have it is not a disorder, but a character trait. Onward.
None of those the things is the same or inherently related to the other two. A person may be consistently angry due to external circumstances that force them out of a more authentic calmer personality. To be argumentative can mean as little as that the kid is intelligent and sees how adults constantly lie to each other, quite the opposite of a disorder, except in how intelligence is a dis-ease in an unintelligent society. Vindictiveness implies there's something specific for the person to get revenge for, which could be a search for justice, quite the opposite of a mental disorder, except in how wanting justice is a dis-ease in a complacent society.
Oppositional Defiance Disorder
Re: Oppositional Defiance Disorder
-
- Posts: 8467
- Joined: Sun Sep 25, 2011 3:08 pm
- Location: Professional Underdog Pound
Re: Oppositional Defiance Disorder
Keep one thing in mind, Sculptor. You don't know me and you don't know what my attitude is toward oppositional defiance disorder.
Re: Oppositional Defiance Disorder
Keep one thing is mind, the phrase: methinks he doth protest too much.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:27 amKeep one thing in mind, Sculptor. You don't know me and you don't know what my attitude is toward oppositional defiance disorder.
-
- Posts: 8467
- Joined: Sun Sep 25, 2011 3:08 pm
- Location: Professional Underdog Pound
Re: Oppositional Defiance Disorder
Speak for yourself.Sculptor wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 5:18 pmKeep one thing is mind, the phrase: methinks he doth protest too much.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Feb 23, 2022 10:27 amKeep one thing in mind, Sculptor. You don't know me and you don't know what my attitude is toward oppositional defiance disorder.
-
- Posts: 6802
- Joined: Tue Aug 11, 2009 10:55 pm
Re: Oppositional Defiance Disorder
The latter is generally pretty polite and rational and few would diagnose him that way. But point taken.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:50 am Here are the symptoms in children:
https://psychcentral.com/disorders/oppo ... -symptoms/
Apparently it can drag into adulthood too:
https://www.additudemag.com/screener-op ... st-adults/ (My favorite from the symptom questionnaire: "I can’t stand authority figures. Fight the power!")
I wonder, is there a line between being fiercely independent minded and having "defiance disorder"? I also wonder if any of the great thinkers in history would fall into this category; Galileo, for example? What about Anarchist, Noam Chomsky?
If you define just on behavior and attitude without context you will end up pathologizing healthy behavior, moral behavior, natural reactions, etc.
I can imagine the slaveowners diagnosing african slaves they had to give the whip to more often and considering themselves progressive.
-
- Posts: 8467
- Joined: Sun Sep 25, 2011 3:08 pm
- Location: Professional Underdog Pound
Re: Oppositional Defiance Disorder
It seems like psychologists, for job security, like to label anyone who doesn't adhere to their program as having some kind of disorder. Not to say that there aren't people with truly bad behavior out there. But I figure if a person isn't committing some great crime, then it's not worth "diagnosing" them with anything other than being human. the regime of "health" makes us all "sick" for its own benefit.Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 10:16 pmThe latter is generally pretty polite and rational and few would diagnose him that way. But point taken.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:50 am Here are the symptoms in children:
https://psychcentral.com/disorders/oppo ... -symptoms/
Apparently it can drag into adulthood too:
https://www.additudemag.com/screener-op ... st-adults/ (My favorite from the symptom questionnaire: "I can’t stand authority figures. Fight the power!")
I wonder, is there a line between being fiercely independent minded and having "defiance disorder"? I also wonder if any of the great thinkers in history would fall into this category; Galileo, for example? What about Anarchist, Noam Chomsky?
If you define just on behavior and attitude without context you will end up pathologizing healthy behavior, moral behavior, natural reactions, etc.
I can imagine the slaveowners diagnosing african slaves they had to give the whip to more often and considering themselves progressive.
-
- Posts: 6802
- Joined: Tue Aug 11, 2009 10:55 pm
Re: Oppositional Defiance Disorder
Psychologists (and school counselors and teachers) certainly have this habit, but I put more blame on psychiatry and the pharmaceutical industry. The latter makes money off these diagnoses in heaps and bounds.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Mon Apr 11, 2022 12:12 am It seems like psychologists, for job security, like to label anyone who doesn't adhere to their program as having some kind of disorder. Not to say that there aren't people with truly bad behavior out there. But I figure if a person isn't committing some great crime, then it's not worth "diagnosing" them with anything other than being human. the regime of "health" makes us all "sick" for its own benefit.