Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 9:39 am
Age wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 2:08 am
When 'you', adult human beings, find out what thee True 'meaning' IS for 'life', and 'living', 'love', et cetera, then 'you' STOP abusing the children, like 'you' have been, and then EVERY one can and WILL START living peacefully TOGETHER, as One, and as the way 'things' are 'meant to be' and are, in fact, REALLY ARE.
While it is true that humans have a keen sense of self awareness, in that they can know that pain and suffering is not an ideal situation and would rather the situation is not happening, insofar as they would choose pleasure and comfort in place of misery and pain.
But is 'that' REALLY what 'self-awareness' ACTUALLY IS.
KNOWING that pain, and/or suffering, is NOT an ideal situation and KNOWING one would rather that situation is NOT happening, I would say is just a COMMON KNOWING among the animal species, like 'you', human beings are.
And, that 'self-awareness' is an EVOLVING 'thing', and that the 'self-awareness' that 'you', adult human beings, have in the days when this was being written was somewhat better, or more advanced, than say the humans who lived one or two millions before 'you', or that even the 'self-awareness' 'you', adult human beings, in the days when this was being written, was somewhat better, or more advanced, than say the new born human beings, in the EXACT SAME day and age.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 9:39 am
That's just common knowledge.
Okay, so WHY did you bring this up then, and, WHY make the CLAIM that choosing pleasure and comfort in place of misery and pain has to do with 'self-knowledge' when it CLEARLY DOES NOT.
'self-knowledge', by definition even, would be knowledge about thee 'self', and would NOT have much, if ANY, at all REALLY in relation to pleasure and comfort. For example, a dog KNOWS that it likes to lay in sunlight or in front of a fireplace on a cool day without EVER REALLY having ANY knowledge AT ALL about "its" 'self'. This KNOWING and PREFERRING of 'pleasure and comfort' OVER 'pain and suffering' is because of the senses of the body and NOTHING about the knowledge/information of thy 'self' stored within the body.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 9:39 am
And because the self-aware self
If 'you' want to here CLAIM that there is a 'self-aware' 'self', then 'you', a 'self', should also be able to explain who and/or what this 'self' IS, EXACTLY?
Or, are 'you' NOT a 'self-aware' 'self', YET?
can know that physical pain is obnoxious you would also know that other sentience would have the same capacity to feel what you yourself feel.[/quote]
Would say a 'sentience', let us call 'a worm' here for now, which does NOT have the sense to feel (but may have another or no other sense instead) have the capacity to feel what I feel?
In other words, just because there is OTHER 'sentience', this is NO WAY MEANS that EVERY one of them has the EXACT SAME 'senses' as, let us say, the 'human being' does.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 9:39 am
So that's where the compassion and empathy come in, that's what happens when the self aware consciousness is able to become aware of what feels good and what feels bad and is then able to understand the consequences of any deliberate intent to cause pain to another would always a very bad idea, because you would not usually cause pain to your own self.
HOW True COMPASSION AND EMPATHY are OBTAINED is slightly different, but 'you' are STILL a LONG WAY OFF from LEARNING and UNDERSTANDING this, that is; if you keep on going the way you are and have been.
Anyway, the proposition,
'Do unto others what you would want done unto you', ONLY works, SUCCESSFULLY, when THE RESPONSIBLE ones are SEPARATED, (in thought only), from THE NON RESPONSIBLE ones, and the words,
'if you were in their place (in their shoes)', are added onto that proposition.
Oh, and by the way, ALL of the 'suffering' felt by 'you', human beings, can be completely ERADICATED, the FAR majority of the 'pain and suffering' felt by 'you', human beings, is caused UNINTENTIONALLY by 'you', adult human beings.
And, if and when ANY of 'you' WANT to cause 'pain' and/or 'suffering' onto "another", then NO amount of UNDERSTANDING the consequences will prevent them from going on to CAUSE that 'pain' and/or 'suffering' ANYWAY.
But, what WILL STOP and PREVENT 'you', adult human beings, from CAUSING ANYMORE intentional 'pain and suffering' onto "others" is LEARNING and UNDERSTANDING WHY 'you' DO what you do and WHY 'you' WANT TO DO what you do.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 9:39 am
Having said all that...when the shit hits the fan and all hell breaks loose ..
What is this 'metaphor' and 'figure of speech' referring to, EXACTLY?
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 9:39 am
as in if a war between many countries break out, or the weather takes an unexpected turn for the worse, the consequences of these events can be crippling to people who have been used to having their lives all so comfortable and easy.
As I have previously SAID ALL True 'suffering' is caused by 'you', adult human beings, like for example in CREATING wars and/or WANTING to kill or harm "each other". When 'you' kill "each other" then the children are the ones who end up in most pain and suffering. Also, ONLY 'children' suffer.
If ANY one expects the weather to NOT take an unexpected turn, then it could be said that those ones literally then deserve to so-call 'suffer'.
When ANY one wants to delve into this further, then just let me know.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 9:39 am
In such events, people could turn rabid in their thirst to survive.
'you', human beings, could turn so-called "rabid" for absolutely ANY reason you MAKE UP and COME UP with. But using the EXCUSE "thirst to survive" is just 'that', AN EXCUSE for "turning rabid". See, thee Truth is there is NEVER ANY EXCUSE for DOING Wrong, and "turning rabid" is DOING Wrong, correct?
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 9:39 am
Just like you see in all those zombie movies.
Yes, let us LOOK AT OBVIOUSLY Truly MADE UP movies to TALK ABOUT REAL LIFE.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 9:39 am
So to me, that's how nature works,
How, EXACTLY, to you, does 'nature' work?
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 9:39 am
it will ultimately turn on itself in a last bid to survive.
So, to you, 'nature' will end itself, "in a last bid to survive".
Can you NOT YET SEE the CONTRADICTION here?
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 9:39 am
There is no such reality as a utopian reality in nature, nature is a serial killer...
And, as we have gone through before ALSO it is 'nature', ALSO, which is the giver and provider for life.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 9:39 am
it is only humans that have invented a peaceful world, in the attempt to escape from the actual reality that nature is a meat grinder, and so we only feel compassion for nature because we are nature.
And, it is ONLY human beings that have invented, and ARE creating, a hell world, NOT to escape from the ACTUAL Reality, but just because 'you' put your OWN 'greed' AND 'selfishness' BEFORE ALL ELSE.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 9:39 am
Nature kills to survive another day, and to survive another day it has to kill.
And, it could be argued 'nature' provides new life, to "survive" another day, and to "survive" another day 'nature' has to live, or create MORE life.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 9:39 am
Anyone who denies this obvious fact, is just living in lala land.
It could also be SAID and ARGUED ANY one who ONLY LOOKS AT 'one side' of 'things' denies thee OBVIOUS Fact, and is just living in their OWN little world.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 9:39 am
So to me, I cannot see the point in living this repeat and rinse reality...over and over again.
Well 'you' NEVER EVER have to worry about that at all BECAUSE 'you' are NEVER coming back into this Life, EVER AGAIN, let alone over and over again.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Jan 17, 2022 9:39 am
But it seems we do, so then that's just the nature of it.
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WHY would it SEEM that way, to you?