Age wrote: ↑Sun Oct 17, 2021 8:47 amWill you SHARE 'this REALIZATION' with us here? Or, is this just MORE of this 'pointing to the truth', and not actually 'the truth' AT ALL, intellectualization, which you talk about above?
Realization is nothing special. It is only seeing things clearly [or more clearly] because you have been able to remove much of the intellectual filter that contaminates our view of Reality.
Nobody can explain it. It can only be experienced. What I have tried to do is share some different perspectives...like suggesting that one of the most important things people can do is come to an understanding of the limits of the human intellect. When you think about it pragmatically, it is not difficult to come to the conclusion that Reality is simply inaccessible to our intellect. This is not difficult to reveal.
I am not a Zen teacher and it is so very difficult to intellectualize this stuff. There are some wonderful books written by seriously realized people. A super popular one is by the master who was one of the people who brought Zen to the West in the 1950's, Shunryu Suzuki. who started San Fransisco Zen Center. He was my teacher's teacher. He wrote a pretty amazing book, "Zen Mind, Beginner's Mind." and was an immediate classic. His ability to simplify is extraordinary.
Again, realization is simply gaining the skill to quiet the mind.
simplicity wrote: ↑Sat Oct 16, 2021 5:19 pm
It is not something that I can tell you about because it is mostly taking on different perspective or approach. Practically speaking, much of it knowing the limits of knowing. When I say that you can not know anything [in absolute terms], this is true.
LOL So, now, you are NOT 'pointing to the truth of the matter', but actually TELLING us what 'the truth of the matter' IS now, correct?
Also, do you SEE ANY CONTRADICTION, AT ALL, when you say, "you can not know ANY thing [in absolute terms]", and, "this IS TRUE"?
If you can NOT, then I will point 'it' out and show you. Whenever ANY one says, "This is true", then they mean 'that' IN ABSOLUTE TERMS. So, what you have essentially said and STATED is, "You can not know anything and this is absolutely true". Which either means 'we', that is; EVERY one besides you can NOT know ANY thing [in absolute terms] but 'you' can, OR, absolutely EVERY one can NOT know ANY thing [in absolute terms], and this IS TRUE [in absolute terms]. Feel FREE to pick one, or SHOW that there is NO contradiction here, by EXPLAINING what you ACTUALLY MEAN.
By the way, the above was ANOTHER GREAT EXAMPLE of ANOTHER one 'trying to' CLAIM there are NO truths, NO absolute truths, NO one and only truths, BUT WHILE proposing, unconsciously, that THEIR CLAIM is a one and only absolute truth.
The CONTRADICTIONS speak for themselves.
simplicity wrote: ↑Sat Oct 16, 2021 5:19 pm
All things knowable are in constant flux. Therefore, even if we had the intellectual capacity to process an infinite amount information [which, of course, we don't] there are a host of other issues that prevent us from accessing reality in any true way.
LOL You here make a claim, that is; "ALL things knowable are in constant flux", and then JUMP straight INTO, 'a conclusion', which, by the way, states "that even if there was something, which there is not", there are other things that prevent up from accessing reality in any true way.
1. What are those supposed and alleged "other things or issues"?
2. Can you REALLY NOT SEE the other CONTRADICTION, in what you are 'trying to' CLAIM here? Which is; "All things knowable are in constant flux", SO there is NOTHING can be FULLY KNOWN or KNOWN [in absolute terms] BUT is the CLAIM, "All things knowable are in constant flux", another knowable thing, which is also in constant flux, or is 'that' a knowable thing, which will NOT change? If the CLAIM, "All things knowable is just ANOTHER CLAIM, in constant flux, then that CLAIM will change, ALSO, and therefore, not really worth expressing, in the beginning.
3. If you are thinking your two sentences here were an 'argument', then you are, very sadly, MISTAKEN. The one and only premise of yours here contradicts itself, and your conclusion here says nothing at all except that "there are other issues that prevent 'you' (and some "others") from accessing reality in any true way", which by itself, is saying NOTHING AT ALL, REALLY, anyway. Also, did you NOTICE that CLAIMING that "you/us are prevented from accessing reality in any true way", IS a CLAIM about reality IN a true way?
simplicity wrote: ↑Sat Oct 16, 2021 5:19 pm
So we must accept our capacity to deal with reality and make the best of it.
You are absolutely FREE to ACCEPT ANY of your capacity and LACK OF capacity absolutely ANY way you like. But TELLING "others" how they MUST ACCEPT 'things' is REALLY a grandiose view of 'you', that is; of your thinking and your ways, correct?
simplicity wrote: ↑Sat Oct 16, 2021 5:19 pm
I [and others] believe the best shot we have is to see things are clearly as possible and react [proact] accordingly.
Is there ANY of 'you', adult human beings, who do NOT believe the best shot you have is to see things as clearly as possible and react [pro-act] accordingly?
If there is ANY one who believes that the best shot they have is to see things as dark or as fuzzy or as murky as possible and/or react NOT accordingly?
If yes, then who are 'you' or 'they'?
simplicity wrote: ↑Sat Oct 16, 2021 5:19 pm
This is one of the main benefits of meditation. It simply filters out the non-sense and allows a more unobstructed view.
SO, what EXCUSES, or reasons, have you go for your OBVIOUSLY short and narrowed sighted obstructed view of things here?
simplicity wrote: ↑Sat Oct 16, 2021 5:19 pm
All of this I have written is probably not even close to what it actually is but these are the limitations we must all live with when we communicate using the intellectual.
This is WHY I continually suggest that 'you', human beings, STOP LOOKING AT and SEEING things, through and from those ALREADY previously gained 'thoughts' within those bodies, and just START LOOKING AT and SEEING 'things' from thee Truly OPEN perspective ONLY. That way you will GAIN thee ACTUAL Truth of 'things'.
simplicity wrote: ↑Sat Oct 16, 2021 5:19 pm
The greatest teachers in the non-intellectual sphere are those who can simplify their teaching down to the absolute basics...thus, Absolute Simplicity is Absolute Truth.
YET it is 'you' who CLAIMS that what you say here is AN IMPOSSIBILITY. So, who has been "teaching" 'you'?