Wow! 10 whole years!Atla wrote: ↑Wed Jul 28, 2021 6:05 pmseeds wrote: ↑Wed Jul 28, 2021 5:28 pmThat's a pretty good article, socrat44, and it is apparent that at least one of the participants in this thread (he knows who I'm talking about) is completely fooled by the shadows in our little cave.socrat44 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 28, 2021 5:21 am Quantum Mechanics, Plato’s Cave and the Blind Piranha
Can we ever really know the world?
/ By John Horgan on July 24, 2021/
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10 whole years of formulating dubious conclusions about QM.
Congratulations, Atla, you are now starting to remind me of Veritas Aequitas and how he has somehow managed to convince himself that he has become a leading expert on Kant because he studied Kant's writings for 3 years.
Sabine Hossenfelder has been thinking about QM (on a professional level) for far longer than your astoundingly unimpressive 10 years as an amateur, yet that still doesn't make her assertions about superdeterminism any less speculative or irrefutable. And the point is that if I am inclined to dismiss her theory, then just imagine how I feel about your take on the subject.
(Btw, just for the record, I created an illustration depicting the double-slit experiment that I used in one of my video lectures that aired on public access television almost 30 years ago. And the point is that you're not the only one who has spent time thinking about QM. None of which means anything when it comes to the veracity [or lack thereof] of our respective arguments.)
In what way are we leaving the cave of QM? Please explain.
Not "too dumb" (Mr. exemplar of the Dunning-Kruger Effect), just not conscious enough to realize that you are not conscious enough to understand where I am coming from.Atla wrote: ↑Wed Jul 28, 2021 6:05 pm ...one of the first things we realize is that people who are like
"Boohoo we don't know the correct interpretation of QM, therefore my version of a Berkeleyen God and my seeds theory and all that holographic shit surely must be true, but people are too dumb to get it!"
can be gently pushed aside.
Do you actually believe that no one on this planet could have experienced something in their life that might have given them a different perspective on reality than the one you hold? Are you really that naïve?
Furthermore, "gently pushed aside" and replaced with what? Superdeterminism?
Are you seriously attempting to suggest that the unthinkable order of the universe was somehow "predestined" to unfold in such a way that I had no choice (no free will) but to end this sentence with a period instead of what should have been a question mark.
(And if you don't understand what I just said, then you don't understand superdeterminism.)
Furthermore, if you are going to promote super-duh-terminism, then you need to provide a LOGICAL explanation as to how (and why) disparate and chaotic (post-Bang) fields of blind and mindless (inanimate) quantum phenomena were imbued with the "deterministic" impetus to create the perfect setting from which life and consciousness could then arise into existence.
(And by all means, Atla, punctuate your assertions with vulgar words, because it not only adds a lot of impressive gravitas to your arguments, but it also lets me know that I'm dealing with someone who is ultra-confident in his belief that the shadows on the cave wall are all he needs to know about reality.)
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