I'm flattered. But really, try it!
Quite aside from the metaphorical connotations, it's literally worth doing - sunset or sunrise.
You can watch and see it two different ways, and it's amazing to see the earth turn.
I'm flattered. But really, try it!
No doubt you also see the planet Venus rather than the evening star or the morning star.
What?Belinda wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 7:18 pmNo doubt you also see the planet Venus rather than the evening star or the morning star. If you can add to a list of similar connections that are not causal connections I'd be very interested. These non-causal connections are known to scientists so don't think I am trying to be mysterious!
The sun doesn't rise or set. The Earth turns. We say "sunrise' because that's how it appears, but the reality is quite different. It is the quintessential difference between subjective and objective, between Descartes and Galileo, and Galileo was right! It moves!
I am trying to explain how phenomena relate to each other. The Morning Star is not the cause of the Evening Star or vice versa. As you well know the Planet Venus is the cause of both phenomena.Vitruvius wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 8:38 pmThe sun doesn't rise or set. The Earth turns. We say "sunrise' because that's how it appears, but the reality is quite different. It is the quintessential difference between subjective and objective, between Descartes and Galileo, and Galileo was right! It moves!
Vitruvius wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 8:38 pmThe sun doesn't rise or set. The Earth turns. We say "sunrise' because that's how it appears, but the reality is quite different. It is the quintessential difference between subjective and objective, between Descartes and Galileo, and Galileo was right! It moves!
I've rarely ever heard the term morning star/evening star - whereas sunrise is an everyday term; and the question of whether the earth or the sun is in motion was an important question in the history of Western philosophy. Thus, I have tried to see the earth turn rather than the sun rise. It's not about planets - it's about epistemology. I'm an objectivist - arguing that what's true matters. You're a subjectivist because the Church was very powerful and unfortunately, wrong.
You deserve to have this explained to you, as I respect your obsession about geothermal energy.Vitruvius wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 8:10 pmVitruvius wrote: ↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 8:38 pmThe sun doesn't rise or set. The Earth turns. We say "sunrise' because that's how it appears, but the reality is quite different. It is the quintessential difference between subjective and objective, between Descartes and Galileo, and Galileo was right! It moves!I've rarely ever heard the term morning star/evening star - whereas sunrise is an everyday term; and the question of whether the earth or the sun is in motion was an important question in the history of Western philosophy. Thus, I have tried to see the earth turn rather than the sun rise. It's not about planets - it's about epistemology. I'm an objectivist - arguing that what's true matters. You're a subjectivist because the Church was very powerful and unfortunately, wrong.
Belinda,Belinda wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 11:39 am
You deserve to have this explained to you, as I respect your obsession about geothermal energy.
I have forgotten what the following has to do with geothermal energy, if anything. Anyway.
Events can and often do correlate. Not all correlations are causal correlations.
And when I thanked you, and explained the meaning, and the significance in Western philosophy, you start banging on about Venus. That said, Venus does play a role in the theory of climate change, because it was explaining the unexpectedly high surface temperature of Venus, that led to an understanding of how atmosphere traps heat. But this morning star business, I still can't make head nor tails.
I know you have no clue what I am talking about. I come to this forum to learn but so far nobody has helped with my problem about correlations .When I first read that quotation from you I thought here is someone who understands about correlations.↑Sat Sep 18, 2021 1:25 pm
I resurrect a worthy thing from Vitruvius for quote of the day.
"I have tried to see the earth turn rather than the sun rise."
This idea is worth discussing in its own discussion.
And when I thanked you, and explained the meaning, and the significance in Western philosophy, you start banging on about Venus.
I understand correlation as well as the next university graduate; what I don't understand is your problem with it. I love this one; more people die in hospitals than in McDonald's so if I have a heart attack, get a big mac and milkshake down me, stat! That's a spurious correlation.
Maybe, but you don't understand that correlations, negative or positive, are not always causal but are sometimes laws of nature(or science).Vitruvius wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:14 pmI understand correlation as well as the next university graduate; what I don't understand is your problem with it. I love this one; more people die in hospitals than in McDonald's so if I have a heart attack, get a big mac and milkshake down me, stat! That's a spurious correlation.
Vitruvius wrote: ↑Tue Sep 21, 2021 9:14 pmI understand correlation as well as the next university graduate; what I don't understand is your problem with it. I love this one; more people die in hospitals than in McDonald's so if I have a heart attack, get a big mac and milkshake down me, stat! That's a spurious correlation.
So your problem with correlations then, is what you assume I don't understand?