FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:34 am
Age wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 2:24 am
WHAT?
What are you basing this CLARIFYING QUESTION OFF of, EXACTLY?
FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 12:51 pm
Irrefutable truths aren't beliefs, they are knowledge.
To me;
'Irrefutable truths' ARE
irrefutable truths.
'Beliefs' ARE
beliefs. And,
'Knowledge' IS
knowledge.
FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 12:51 pm
That's not a statement of belief, it's just a fact derived from the meaning of the words.
You forgot to add the words 'to me', on the end. BECAUSE it is NOT a fact derived from the meaning of the words, from "other's" perspectives.
AND, when I SAY, I do NOT believe [some thing], then that IS a FACT, which IS, OBVIOUSLY, IRREFUTABLY True, IRREFUTABLY Right, and IRREFUTABLY Correct.
That's insane. There's no world in which you adding "to me" makes any difference to what a word means.
And here is an EXAMPLE of the very reason WHY human beings, in the days when this was written, were continually bickering, and 'arguing', over things as well NOT AS OF YET Truly
understanding "each other".
Some, ACTUALLY, BELIEVED, like this one here, that there was ONLY ONE meaning for a word, and that the meaning, which those ones use, is thee one and only true, right, and correct meaning. And, if ANY one said otherwise, then there were RIDICULED and called things like "insane".
These ones even BELIEVE that it was "insane" for "another" to express when they did NOT BELIEVE things and thus WERE OPEN to "others" and that "others" have and see DIFFERENT meanings to and for the EXACT SAME word.
FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:34 am
"I do not believe in god" is not similar to "I do not have any beliefs at all" so that attempt is lame.
Here is ANOTHER EXAMPLE of when some people were NOT YET able to COMPREHEND what "another" is saying, and MEANING.
What can be CLEARLY SEEN ALSO is that those people do NOT even ask a question to GAIN ACTUAL CLARITY and UNDERSTANDING and instead will just ASSUME some 'thing', and then just go with that, ONLY.
Also, I AGREE that saying; "I do not believe in God" is NOT similar, AT ALL, to saying; "I do not have any beliefs at all". So, WHY you would even mention this I have NO CLUE ABOUT, and REALLY do NOT care either.
Obviously, I have NEVER even alluded to those two sayings being similar, let alone said they were, so you saying that has absolutely NOTHING AT ALL to do with what I have ACTUALLY SAID, and MEANT, anywhere.
FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:34 am
Age wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 2:24 am
FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 12:51 pm
Are you denying that you believe that future generations will want to read this site to find out more about you and your ideas?
YES.
LISTEN, and let us SEE, if you can HEAR this, this time.
I do NOT BELIEVE ANY thing. This also includes absolutely ANY thing that you say or CLAIM that I do. WHICH OBVIOUSLY INCLUDES that future generations will want to read this site to find out absolutely ANY thing.
But the future generations are coming to this site to read about your journey to greatness aren't they?
Yes.
FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:34 am
It's just not a "BeliEFfffff" presumably?
It OBVIOUSLY can be a BELIEF, to you, and that you have. But considering I do NOT BELIEVE ANY thing is true. That is CERTAINLY, and OBVIOUSLY, NOT a BELIEF I have.
FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:34 am
Or have you given up on that one entirely?
Considering that the 'that' word could be in relation to just about ANY thing, I will NOT answer this question.
FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:34 am
Age wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 2:24 am
FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Mon Jun 28, 2021 12:51 pm
What do you think (and believe) it even means when you do that
"If you say and BELiEVE SO, then it MUST BE SO" thing? Because it means fuck all to anyone else.
FIRSTLY, I do NOT believe ANY thing, including what I wrote, and you SAY, here. Also, and VERY OBVIOUSLY, one can THINK some thing and NOT necessarily BELIEVE that thing.
SECONDLY, when I say 'If you say and BELIEVE SO, then it MUST BE SO', then what that ACTUALLY MEANS, from my perspective, IS; what you BELIEVE is true, then it MUST BE ABSOLUTELY and IRREFUTABLY TRUE, to you.
I say this because it would be ABSOLUTELY ABSURD, ILLOGICAL, and RIDICULOUS, for ANY one, to BELIEVE some thing is true but ALSO BELIEVE that it may NOT be true EITHER.
So, when you BELIEVE some thing is true, then EITHER you BELIEVE that thing is true, or you DO NOT. And, if you BELIEVE some thing is true, then what does this even mean, to you?
THIRDLY, if what I say "means fuck all", to ANY one, but they are CURIOS and REALLY DO WANT TO KNOW 'what it means', then I, AGAIN, suggest that they, or you, just pose and ask a CLARIFYING QUESTION, to me. VERY SIMPLE, REALLY.
But ... it's normal to believe some things but also to believe they may not be true.
"normal" is an EXTREMELY RELATIVE word.
So, it is "normal" to who and what, EXACTLY?
FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:34 am
Everybody knows that they hold some set of untrue beliefs,
So, human beings one and two million years ago KNEW 'this' here?
Very young children and new born babies KNOW 'this' here as well, correct?
The "insane", like 'me', KNOW 'this' here too, correct?
And, if EVERY body in the WHOLE Universe, supposedly, KNOWS that they "themselves" hold some set of 'untrue beliefs', then this MEANS that the one known as "flashdangerpants" here, in this forum, ALSO KNOWS that it HOLDS some 'untrue beliefs'. So, would 'you' like to SHARE what 'untrue beliefs' that 'you' are HOLDING ONTO, that is; if you do KNOW what those 'untrue beliefs'?
And, either way if you do or do NOT know what YOUR OWN 'untrue beliefs' ARE, EXACTLY, what are the reasons WHY you would continue to HOLD onto BELIEFS, especially considering the FACT that you have just ADMITTED that you are HOLDING ONTO BELIEFS, which are NOT even true ANYWAY?
Saying that you hold some set of 'untrue beliefs' helps in forming a valid and sound argument to NOT have, NOR hold, ANY BELIEFS AT ALL.
FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:34 am
the tricky bit is working out which ones are incorrect. The entire point of beliefs is that they are not irrefutable.
I KNOW 'beliefs' are NOT irrefutable, and this is ANOTHER REASON WHY I do NOT do 'beliefs'.
Also, working out what is ACTUALLY True, Right, Correct, and GOOD from what is ACTUALLY False, Wrong, Incorrect, and BAD is an EXTREMELY SIMPLE and EASY thing to do. That is; once 'you' discover, or learn, and understand WHY the thoughts within a body exist, and, HOW the Mind and the brain work EXACTLY.
FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:34 am
It seems you have an incorrect belief about what "belief" means.
And here is FURTHER PROOF that this one ACTUALLY BELIEVES that there is ONLY ONE meaning for words.
Also, because this one ACTUALLY BELIEVES that one can NOT live/exist, if they do NOT BELIEVE things, this BELIEF affects the way they LOOK AT and SEE things.
If you can NOT rid "yourself" of the Incorrect BELIEF that I MUST HAVE BELIEFS, then what SEEMS like, to you, here will OBVIOUSLY remain with, and for, you.
FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:34 am
Saying it means something else to you than it does to the rest of us won't get you out of that problem.
What "problem"?
Are you under some ILLUSION that what some 'thing' means, to you, then that 'thing' means the EXACT SAME to ALL of humanity, itself?