AlexW wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:20 am
Age wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 6:29 am
WHEN have I 'tried to' teach or tell ANY one here, in this forum, what the actual 'truth' is?
Some two weeks ago you wrote:
There is only One who 'knows'. This One is thee Mind, of which there is only One, and One only.
How this One 'knows', for sure, is through agreement of ALL ("ourselves"). The word 'our-selves' refers to the collective of ALL, which is just this One's, (our), selves and, the word 'selves' just refers to all the illusioned, separated selfs, as discussed in nondualistic conversations. The separate 'selfs', (in the illusion) just refers to people, or human beings.
Sounds like you are teaching someone here, in this forum, what the actual 'truth' is...
Why? Is what I said 'the actual truth', to you?
Also, I could only 'teach', to 'those' who want to be taught.
AlexW wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:20 am
Or, if it is not the truth that you have been teaching, then what exactly is it?
Again, have I been 'teaching'? And, if what I have been saying is the truth or not is NOT up to 'me'. That is up to 'you' to decide?
By the way, thank you for answering my CLARIFYING QUESTION.
AlexW wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:20 am
Age wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 6:29 am
BUT, as I POINTED OUT in the next sentence, what you said here is ONLY in regards to "old" and "new" perspectives. HOWEVER, WHILST one is BELIEVING some thing is true, then OBVIOUSLY that is the, so called, "new" perspective. Which, by the way, is a BELIEF that does NOT allow an opposing NOR contrary view to even be considered. As ALREADY PROVEN true.
I am not sure how you have proven this to be true... I cant see or find any proof of such a thing.
EVERY time WHILE 'you' are BELIEVING some 'thing' to be true, then 'you' are NOT OPEN to even being able to consider the opposing or contrary view. Therefore, ANY opposing or contrary view could even be 'more reasonable' to consider. Now, for 'you' to be able to SEE how this is a FACT, which I have already proven true, then 'you' just NEED to be Truly OPEN and Honest here.
Provide some 'thing', which 'you' BELIEVE is true, then I can, again, SHOW and PROVE what I have been saying here.
AlexW wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:20 am
Again: Why would any belief make it impossible to consider a different view?
BECAUSE WHY would 'you' even consider a view, which 'you' BELIEVE is NOT true? That is; if you BELIEVE some thing is true, then ANY opposing or contrary view would OBVIOUSLY HAVE TO BE NOT true, correct?
Also, do NOT get mistaken that I am saying 'a different' view, which is what you are 'trying to' imply or infer here.
Just so you are ABSOLUTELY CLEAR I have been talking about 'opposing' or 'contrary' views. I have NOT been talking about, "a different" view. Your word here CHANGES COMPLETELY what I have been saying and talking about.
The words 'you', human beings, say, internally and externally, have for MORE POWER and CONTROL of 'you' then is FULLY REALIZED YET, in the days when this is written.
AlexW wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:20 am
It makes no sense at all.
Does 'it' make no sense at all to the Universe/ALL/Everyone, or to just 'you'?
If 'you' want to SEE and UNDERSTAND thee ACTUAL Truth of things, then 'you' have to speak and say thee ACTUAL Truth of things.
'it' may make no sense at all, to 'you'. But, this is NO way, transfers on to "others".
AlexW wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:20 am
How do you think humanity has dropped the belief of the earth being flat or the centre of the universe?
By just changing 'their' BELIEFS. By JUMPING from one BELIEF to another BELIEF is HOW "humanity" dropped 'their' old False, Wrong, and Incorrect BELIEFS.
Are 'you' REALLY STUCK on this? I have ALREADY EXPLAINED 'this', to 'you'.
AlexW wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:20 am
How do you think kids drop the belief in Santa, Unicorns, the Boogeyman or whatever else...
By changing their BELIEFS. Or, by JUMPING from one BELIEF to another BELIEF. I have ALREADY INFORMED 'you' that this is what HAPPENS. I have also ALREADY INFORMED you that 'you', human beings, were STILL doing this in the days when this was written.
AlexW wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:20 am
if not by allowing an opposing perspective/belief to override the existing one?
And, what I have been questioning 'you' about, whilst POINTING OUT, is that WHILE one HOLDS and MAINTAINS a BELIEF, then they, OBVIOUSLY, could NOT change that BELIEF. ONLY when one becomes, at least, somewhat OPEN could they be capable of learning some thing new, or more, and thus ONLY THEN being able to CHANGE 'their' BELIEFS or views.
HOW could absolutely ANY thing 'override' 'that', which ALREADY EXISTS as TRUE?
WHY do you think that 'you', human beings, took SO LONG to CHANGE 'your' views and/or BELIEFS about the shape and place of earth? WHY do you think it took 'you', human beings, SO LONG to discover and understand what is ACTUALLY True?
The very reason WHY 'you', human beings, STILL, in the days of when this was written, did NOT YET KNOW how the Universe ACTUALLY works is mostly because of your BELIEFS that the Universe began and/or is expanding. ONLY when 'you' STOP BELIEVING these things, then thee ACTUAL Truth can come to light.
AlexW wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:20 am
Age wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 6:29 am
Also, do NOT forget that a lot of what 'you', human beings, did "normally", and 'thought', in previous generations, is looked upon as just being totally ridiculous, among other things.
Man... it is really quite funny to talk to some"one" who insists to speak like that
GREAT. This is my intention. This is because 'I' am VERY DIFFERENT than 'you'.
AlexW wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:20 am
Is it really so hard to discard this split personality of your (small i and big I) and simply speak from the small "i" perspective like anybody else on this forum?
And, what has been SOLVED from within this forum, from 'you', people, speaking like each "other"?
ACTUALLY what has be SOLVED, which Truly benefits 'humanity', and/or Existence, Itself, from 'you', human beings, speaking like EVERY "body" "else" from the past few thousand years? LOL 'you', human beings, STILL can NOT YET answer the question 'Who am 'I'?' properly and correctly.
Also, is 'your', collective and/or personal, life REALLY moving in the direction that 'you' REALLY would LOVE IT TO BE?
COULD, just MAY BE, it is the way 'you' speak and COPY "each other", which is what is HOLDING 'you', human beings, BACK from learning and discovering MUCH QUICKER than 'you' are now?
AlexW wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:20 am
If you really want to learn how to communicate better, then I suggest that you communicate as small "i"-"Age" and not as capital "I" thee ONE.
WHY?
OBVIOUSLY that has NOT worked FULLY for 'you', human beings. The continual bickering, fighting, warring, and killing of "each other" PROVES this FACT.
Is it REALLY that hard to just 'try' something else? Or, is it just to SCARY for 'you', human beings, to just 'try' something else?
REALLY what is so hard or difficult about just CLARIFYING with "each other", BEFORE ASSUMING, BEFORE JUMPING to CONCLUSIONS, and BEFORE JUMPING from BELIEFS to BELIEFS, which is Truly what is CAUSING ALL of the DISAGREEMENTS and CONFUSION from and within 'you'.
AlexW wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:20 am
There are ways of explaining all of this without having to adopt a different personality - maybe you should give it a try?
If there are ways of explaining "all of this", then I suggest 'you' FIRST INFORM 'us' of what "all of this" is, EXACTLY, and then INFORMING 'us' of those 'ways' of explaining "all of this".
Also, I suggest 'you' CLARIFY and KNOW, BEFORE 'you' ASSUME and GUESS.
I have NOT adopted a different personality.
Also, and for your information, thee One is NOT a 'personality'. 'Personalities' exist, only, WITHIN animal bodies. Unless, OF COURSE, one of 'you', human beings, wants to "place/imagine/perceive" a 'personality' somewhere else.
AlexW wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:20 am
Age wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 6:29 am
This is ANOTHER CLAIM of 'yours', which 'you' BELIEVE is ABSOLUTELY, true
I am not sure why you keep insisting that I believe that anything is "ABSOLUTELY true"...
AND if you REALLY want to KNOW WHY, then you will just ask a CLARIFYING QUESTION.
By the way, could that reason be somewhat like the reason WHY you keep INSISTING that I BELIEVE some 'things', full stop?
Another reason WHY I keep INSISTING that you believe some things are absolutely true' is because of the way you write and say things. Like, for example, you CLAIM that EITHER I believe in a claim or I do not, correct?
If this is correct, and you are going to be Truly Honest here, then you will inform 'us' of what ELSE there is, or could be, OTHER than HAVING TO either believe in a claim or not.
See, if you do NOT provide ANY thing else, then what you say and BELIEVE is true, would have to be absolutely true, BECAUSE, to 'you', there is absolutely NOTHING ELSE.
AlexW wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:20 am
I have said it multiple times, but I am happy to say it again: Any statement that is made via language will always only be relatively true (absolute truth is not something that can be expressed using concepts).
LOL I KNOW what you BELIEVE is true. And, to you, there is NOTHING ELSE here, correct?
To you, ANY statement that is made/expressed via language will ALWAYS ONLY be 'relatively true', correct? (Is there ANY other way to make/express a statement by the way?)
And, if this is correct, and there is NOTHING ELSE opposing NOR contradicts this, this how could this relative truth of 'yours' be false, wrong, or incorrect in ANY way?
AlexW wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:20 am
Age wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 6:29 am
To answer this question Honestly, properly AND correctly, so that 'you' could FULLY UNDERSTAND, then I would have to first explain to 'you' what the word 'I' means and refers to, what the word 'me' means and refers to, and what the word 'you' means and refers to, to 'me'.
If 'you' would like 'me' to EXPLAIN what EVERY word in that sentence I put forward means and refers to, so that you could FULLY UNDERSTAND 'things' here, then I WILL.
Just let us know.
I am pretty sure I have decoded your way of using the English language, but just to be sure (and please correct me if I am wrong):
"i" = Age
"I" = thee One Mind, Absolute
"you" = AlexW (or any single other person / human being)
"me" = Age
"we" = all human beings
Is there a "ME" (capitals) that works with "I"? Not sure... cant remember if you have used that before...
'Age' is small 'a'.
'you' can be for "alexw", for another label of another human being, or for ALL human beings, "themselves/yourselves", for adult human beings, or for whatever other words, in commas, I use after the word 'you', in single quotation marks.
'we' can refer to many different things. Just like how 'you' use the words 'we', 'you', 'everyone', and/or 'all' to mean many completely different things, depending on the context of what 'you' are saying and talking about. By the way, this changing different meanings and definitions for the same word, depending on what we are actually saying and talking about, can apply to, if NOT just about ALL words, then ALL words.
If there was a 'Me' that works with 'I', then it would NOT be a capital M and a capital e. For your information, I have used 'that' before.
By the way, whenever I use single quotation marks around a word, term, or phrase, then CLARIFICATION is NEEDED, that is; IF a True and FULL understanding is Truly wanted.
AlexW wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:20 am
Well, if based on your perspective of not having any beliefs, the sentence "I don't have any beliefs" is more correct than "I have beliefs", then this actually proves that you have a preference, an opinion or perspective - and as we established previously, a perspective is nothing but a loosely held belief
WHAT?
'we', you and I, did NOT "establish previously" what you CLAIM here.
You established, and now BELIEVE, that a 'perspective' is nothing but a loosely held belief.
I CERTAINLY did NOT establish this. I also do NOT agree with NOR accept this. I, however, agree that this is what you have established and agree with.
Also, the statement, 'I have NO beliefs' is NOT 'more' correct than the statement, 'I have beliefs', BECAUSE I ACTUALLY have NO beliefs. Therefore, ONLY the prior statement is CORRECT, while the latter one is NOT CORRECT.
AlexW wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:20 am
- so... your claim should be re-phrased to: "I don't have any unchangeable/stuck beliefs, but I do have perspectives, which are nothing but loosely held beliefs."
What do you think about that?
Ridiculous. Considering I could just say, 'I have NO beliefs', INSTEAD, which is thee ACTUAL Truth of things.
As for perspectives OF COURSE they exist.
Also, IF 'perspectives' are "nothing but loosely held beliefs", then what are "strongly held beliefs" called or known by?
AlexW wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:20 am
And again: My perspective on there being "unchangeable/stuck beliefs" is that such beliefs actually do not even exist.
So, to you, WHILE 'you' and "others" are BELIEVING some 'thing' is True, then 'you' and "them" are STILL OPEN to being wrong, correct?
If this is correct, then I suggest becoming MORE AWARE of what ACTUALLY HAPPENS with 'you', human beings.
Have you ever tried to SHOW or TELL "another" what you KNOW is ACTUALLY True WHILST the "other" BELIEVES the opposite?
AlexW wrote: ↑Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:20 am
Anything can change, loosen and dissolve, no matter how stuck it might appear.
OF COURSE. AND, if i recall correctly, 'we' even AGREED to this FACT.
Even EVERY BELIEF can change, loosen, and/or dissolve, HOWEVER, WHILST some 'thing' is BELIEVED to be true, or false, then that BELIEF is being strongly held onto and maintained, and WHILE that is HAPPENING there is NOTHING that can change, loosen, nor dissolve that BELIEF. Unless, of course, you can show and prove otherwise. AND, if you can, then I would LOVE to SEE that PROOF.
If you KNOW what CAN change, loosen, or dissolve a BELIEF, then PLEASE let me in on what that 'thing' IS.
Oh, and by the way, if that 'thing' is
persistence or a
BELIEF in thy Self's own ability to create or achieve what It has set out to create and/or achieve, then I ALREADY KNOW this. I have just been waiting, patiently, for 'you', human beings, to Truly Want to CHANGE, for the better. In the meantime I will just remain OPEN in learning how to communicate better with 'you', human beings, so that 'I' am better UNDERSTOOD, and recognized and accepted for who 'I' Truly am.