Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 5:43 pm
You can't gain them from outside of yourself. They have to be something you feel or we're not talking about ethics/morality (or any value judgments in general). The environment can influence your value judgments, but it doesn't give them to you.
Great. So you and Flash Dangerdork need to gave a conversation.
Because he opposes moral realism/moral naturalism or any notion of "morality".
Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 5:40 pm
The same old stupid mistake of thinking that if one is saying that value judgments, moral stances, oughts, etc. etc. aren't factual, aren't true/false, then one must be saying that people don't actually hold or act on any value judgments, moral stances, oughts, etc.
You don't even know what a "mistake" means.
If your conception of "factuality" and "truth" excludes what people actually do then your conception of "factuality" and "truth" is incomplete.
So just because you've decided to invent a taxonomy in which humans are not part of "the state of affairs", whose problem is that exactly?
That's a rhetorical question. It's your fucking problem that your've invented some taxonomy which inherently embraces special pleading.
Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 5:43 pm
You can't gain them from outside of yourself. They have to be something you feel or we're not talking about ethics/morality (or any value judgments in general). The environment can influence your value judgments, but it doesn't give them to you.
Great. So you and Flash Dangerdork need to gave a conversation.
Because he opposes moral realism/moral naturalism or any notion of "morality".
We need to have a conversation so we can keep typing "yeah, I agree" at each other or something?
Seriously, by the way, I've often wished that Skepdick, Age, etc.--everyone with a personality in that vein--I've often wished that it was one really manic asshole posting as a bunch of different people on a bunch of different boards, in a bunch of different chat rooms, etc., over the past 25 years because it's too depressing to think that there are a bunch of people around with the same more or less carbon copy unduly arrogant jerkwad personality.
Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 7:02 pm
Seriously, by the way, I've often wished that Skepdick, Age, etc.--everyone with a personality in that vein--I've often wished that it was one really manic asshole posting as a bunch of different people on a bunch of different boards, in a bunch of different chat rooms, etc., over the past 25 years because it's too depressing to think that there are a bunch of people around with the same more or less carbon copy unduly arrogant jerkwad personality.
I share this exact sentiment about philosophers.
Carbon copies. The lot of you. Predictable in every aspect.
Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 7:02 pm
Seriously, by the way, I've often wished that Skepdick, Age, etc.--everyone with a personality in that vein--I've often wished that it was one really manic asshole posting as a bunch of different people on a bunch of different boards, in a bunch of different chat rooms, etc., over the past 25 years because it's too depressing to think that there are a bunch of people around with the same more or less carbon copy unduly arrogant jerkwad personality.
I share this exact sentiment about philosophers.
Carbon copies. The lot of you. Predictable in every aspect.
That explains why you appeal to them so often in your comments, sure.