IF the universe was created THEN...
IF the universe was created THEN...
IF the universe was created THEN...we must exist within some type of Simulated Reality.
What it is simulating is beyond our reach with the present devices of science.
Are we able to identify possible evidence which scientific research has uncovered within this universe which could point to the possibility we do actually exist within a creation?
What it is simulating is beyond our reach with the present devices of science.
Are we able to identify possible evidence which scientific research has uncovered within this universe which could point to the possibility we do actually exist within a creation?
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Re: IF the universe was created THEN...
We do live within a creation namely the one that created us and everything existing within it called the universe.
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So you say. But what is it you are saying?Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 3:34 amNon-sequitur.
The "then" does not logically follow from the "if" there.
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Certainly creation took place which doesn't mean a god did it or had anything to do with it.
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Where in the OP is there any claim that 'a god did it'?
"Are we able to identify possible evidence which scientific research has uncovered within this universe which could point to the possibility we do actually exist within a creation?"
If it is a creation as you claim, then where is your evidence?
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Anything which didn't exist before had to be created whether the process is known or not. Is there a mystery here? Also, in the OP there is no a claim that god did it. Having admitted that, creation, for many, has a religious connotation. I just wanted to make sure that any god causes weren't included.VVilliam wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 3:59 amWhere in the OP is there any claim that 'a god did it'?
"Are we able to identify possible evidence which scientific research has uncovered within this universe which could point to the possibility we do actually exist within a creation?"
If it is a creation as you claim, then where is your evidence?
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The "then" does not logically follow from the "if" there. That's what I'm saying. It's illogical. I honestly can't understand how you can possibly believe it, because the words you're using don't add up to coherence, let alone truth. "Simulated" is, by definition, "not real," or "artificial," or "illusory." But every illusion, unreality or artificiality is only detectable in reference to reality.VVilliam wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 3:47 amSo you say. But what is it you are saying?Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 3:34 amNon-sequitur.
The "then" does not logically follow from the "if" there.
Yet you say you have no evidence of such a reality. So you have no basis on which to speak of "simulations." There's nothing to be "simulated."
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Therefore if there is no evidence that the universe was created it is not a creation.
Is there any evidence which might sugest it is a simulated reality.
If there was then it wouldnt matter if we do not have access to any evidence of an alternate univrse which brought about this one.
Is there any evidence which might sugest it is a simulated reality.
If there was then it wouldnt matter if we do not have access to any evidence of an alternate univrse which brought about this one.
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If this is a creation then it stands to reason there will be a creator or creators.Dubious wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:23 amAnything which didn't exist before had to be created whether the process is known or not. Is there a mystery here? Also, in the OP there is no a claim that god did it. Having admitted that, creation, for many, has a religious connotation. I just wanted to make sure that any god causes weren't included.VVilliam wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 3:59 amWhere in the OP is there any claim that 'a god did it'?
"Are we able to identify possible evidence which scientific research has uncovered within this universe which could point to the possibility we do actually exist within a creation?"
If it is a creation as you claim, then where is your evidence?
We may even be the ones who created it so there is no requirment to make up gods and be religious about it...
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Interesting you should mention that because quite a long time ago I wrote that the creation of a universe may not require a god as we normally imagine it. I wrote at that time if the likes of us were advanced enough and knew all the ingredients it's not so inconceivable that we could bake one up ourselves. That was merely to state that the usual god format may not be required in its creation as most religions would have it. As expected, no-one replied to what seemed a complete non-sequitur.VVilliam wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:53 amIf this is a creation then it stands to reason there will be a creator or creators.Dubious wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:23 amAnything which didn't exist before had to be created whether the process is known or not. Is there a mystery here? Also, in the OP there is no a claim that god did it. Having admitted that, creation, for many, has a religious connotation. I just wanted to make sure that any god causes weren't included.VVilliam wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 3:59 am
Where in the OP is there any claim that 'a god did it'?
"Are we able to identify possible evidence which scientific research has uncovered within this universe which could point to the possibility we do actually exist within a creation?"
If it is a creation as you claim, then where is your evidence?
We may even be the ones who created it so there is no requirment to make up gods and be religious about it...
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No. If X then Y always falls prey to Curry's paradox. It's a self-affirming trusim.VVilliam wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 2:33 am IF the universe was created THEN...we must exist within some type of Simulated Reality.
What it is simulating is beyond our reach with the present devices of science.
Are we able to identify possible evidence which scientific research has uncovered within this universe which could point to the possibility we do actually exist within a creation?
This is why science has testing AND falsification.
You need at least two alternatives.
Hypothesis A: If X then Y
Hypothesis B: if X then Z
And you need "measurement" to discern A from B.
And you need falsification so you can figure out that there was a third option that you didn't even think about.
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Most are stuck in that paradigm. It is why the fact atheists exist. They cannot think of the idea that we exist within a creation because it implies a 'creator' and the only creators on offer are the gods of religion.Dubious wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:44 amInteresting you should mention that because quite a long time ago I wrote that the creation of a universe may not require a god as we normally imagine it. I wrote at that time if the likes of us were advanced enough and knew all the ingredients it's not so inconceivable that we could bake one up ourselves. That was merely to state that the usual god format may not be required in its creation as most religions would have it. As expected, no-one replied to what seemed a complete non-sequitur.VVilliam wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:53 amIf this is a creation then it stands to reason there will be a creator or creators.Dubious wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:23 am
Anything which didn't exist before had to be created whether the process is known or not. Is there a mystery here? Also, in the OP there is no a claim that god did it. Having admitted that, creation, for many, has a religious connotation. I just wanted to make sure that any god causes weren't included.
We may even be the ones who created it so there is no requirment to make up gods and be religious about it...
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On the contrary. What I actually said was I don't have the kind of evidence that one can show the others. I did not say that I have not experienced the evidence for myself.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:41 amYet you say you have no evidence of such a reality.VVilliam wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 3:47 amSo you say. But what is it you are saying?Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 3:34 am
Non-sequitur.
The "then" does not logically follow from the "if" there.
So I do indeed have a basis on which to speak of simulations as practically anything we experience as real.