Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 2:44 pm
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Jan 09, 2021 7:08 am
If a supposed omni-compassionate with omnipotence can create such a perfect fine-tuned universe, then such a GOD would have no problem creating humans WITHOUT the possibility of committing evil acts without any negative consequences at all.
That isn't the case. There are things God does not ever do, and things that, consistent with His nature, He cannot do. We are told of various in the Bible. For example, God cannot sin. He cannot lie. He cannot break His own Word.
Since your supposed God is intrinsically omni-GOOD, omni-compassionate, omnibenevolent, omni-empathy and omni-morally-Good, it logically God will not sin, lie nor commit any other evil [as defined].
But this is not because He lacks potency; it's rather because He never has to nor wants to act in contradiction of his own nature; and being all-powerful, He is never compelled to do so.
That is my point, your supposed God will logically not act in contradiction of his own nature.
As I had stated, your supposed God intrinsic nature is omni-GOOD, omni-compassionate, omnibenevolent, omni-empathy and the likes.
Your supposed God must have such qualities as above from the start before He created humans.
Therefore when God began to create humans, logically and it follows that God would have imbued human nature with Good and no possibility of evil.
As such, a supposed omni-compassionate with omnipotence can create such a
perfect fine-tuned universe, then such a GOD would naturally creates humans WITHOUT the possibility of committing evil acts without any negative consequences at all.
But it is evident, there had been terrible natural evil and evil committed by humans.
Therefore your supposition of a supposed-God that is omni-compassionate with omnipotence is wrong.
We do things like lying or sinning because of weakness, not strength. God has no such weaknesses.
Yes, if your supposed God is omni-compassionate with omnipotence.
As C.S. Lewis points out, though, "nonsense is still nonsense, even when we apply it to God." God does not make "square circles" or "married bachelors." Those things are self-contradictory and irrational, and the problem is with the concept, not with God. God's not silly or self-contradictory.
A free will being that cannot choose between good and evil is no more coherent a concept, and no more sensible, than a square circle or a married bachelor. Free will, by definition, implies choice. Otherwise, there's nothing at all "free" in it.
Point is your supposed-God is supposed to be omni-compassionate with omnipotence who had created such a perfect fine-tuned universe.
In that case, your supposed God to avoid contradicting His intrinsic nature of omni-Good [logically] would not have created humans [from the beginning] capable of committing evil at all even when he endowed humans with free will which is limited.
In alignment with God intrinsic goodness, God being omnipotent can still enable humans to make choices but whatever choices humans made the consequences are always good and never evil.
But
the reality is the humans who are created by a supposed-God with omni-compassionate are omnipotence are committing terrible evil and violence.
Therefore the supposed-God with omni-compassionate are omnipotence NEVER existed as real in the first place.
The
alternative realistic point is this;
It is a psychological issue that theists conjure up a God to resolve the inherent and unavoidable dissonance hastily without deep thought of the Problem of Evil and its inherent contradiction.
Kant alluded to this fact;
Kant wrote:It is, indeed, the common fate of Human Reason to complete its Speculative Structures as speedily as may be, and only afterwards to enquire whether the foundations are reliable.
All sorts of excuses will then be appealed to, in order to reassure us of their solidity, or rather indeed to enable us to dispense altogether with so late and so dangerous an enquiry.
CPR [A5] [B9]
Due to the terrible existential dissonance, humans naturally and hastily speculate the idea of an omni-potent God for their salvation as a consonance.
Then when question of the rationality of their God, theists churned up
all sorts of excuses to justify their contradictory mental emergence of a supposed omni-potent God with omni-compassion and omni-whatever.
Theists will use the
Fine-Tuning Argument [FTA] as justification to argue for the cosmological God.
Thus if a supposed omni-compassionate with omnipotence GOD can create such a
perfect fine-tuned universe,
then such a GOD would have no problem creating humans WITHOUT the possibility of committing evil acts without any negative consequences at all,
so as not to contradict God's nature of OMNI-GOOD.
But in contrary to the supposed God with omnipotence and omni-Good, there is the reality of natural evil and terrible evils committed by humans.
Therefore the supposed GOD with omnipotence and omni-Good NEVER existed.