Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 8:31 pm
Decision is not your experience either, you observe the experience of decision , you do not experience an experience. There are here only reactions, not actions.
henry quirk wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:48 pmwrong...I decide & act...my experience of decision (makin') is embedded in the self-referencing I do as I decide or choose
You are not experiencing the experience of choice and decision in the immediate realtime presentational moment, because the immediate moment is always presentational, not a represention, in the moment there is only the ''unaware experiencing'' not the known experience. The 'experience' is known to have occurred only upon self-reflection, which is 'knowledge on demand' retrieved via the memory, which is a re-flective re-presentation of what's already happened to no one, now appearing as if it is a someone..and this description is of my humble opinion, which I'm not forcing on you or anyone else to agree with, it's just an opinion ok.. we can both describe the same idea, but have different ways of describing it that's all.
henry quirk wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:48 pmyour mistake: you fixate on the experiencing, which really is a minor thing; another mistake is playin' the isolation game, which is -- as I say elsewhere -- the equivalent of layin' out all a man's organs on a table and thinkin' these discrete, disconnected pieces can tell you anything about the person...man is a whole, not a collection of parts...man's mind isn't sumthin' to be teased out and dissected
now, mebbe your head works exactly as you describe it, but mine doesn't and you'll do me the favor of not tellin' me -- in effect -- I don't know myself
Fine then, but that doesn't mean any one of us is mistaken, it just means what you know is how you will describe your personal story.
Same with me here, I describe it as I see it, even if it's different to the way you see, doesn't make it a mistake, if mine is a mistake in comparison to how you describe it, then do me a favor of not telling me I don't know myself ...
It works both ways, the mind is a two way mirror.
And yes, man is a whole, I've never ever seen only half a man, and I've never denied that man is a whole, so I don't know why you had to bring that up for. Language cannot describe nonduality, and is why language will always appear as dualism, the dissection you speak of.
In essence, we're on the same page here, but the difference is in the way we express self using words, that's all. Maybe you don't agree with that, which matters not, because quite frankly I don't care, and you probably don't either.