Belinda wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 9:49 am
Seeds wrote:
...could have popped out of his mother’s womb sporting an “appetizing vagina,” what does that suggest about the deeper truth of the ontology of gender itself?
I’ll tell you what it suggests.
It suggests that whatever our true and ultimate form actually is,...
(sans the penises and vaginas that will be left behind upon exiting these bodies via death)
...it will be something that is genderless and far more wondrous than the useless and purposeless (non-evolving) forms suggested in Islam, or any other world religion.
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Belinda wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 9:49 am
But "our true and ultimate form" presupposes there is such a thing,...
Yes it does, B, and it could indeed be wishful thinking.
However, I personally feel that even if it’s wrong, it is nevertheless far more preferable than presupposing (like you do) the equally questionable notion that life is basically meaningless (at least in terms of there being no ultimate or eternal purpose for us as individuals).
Why are you so hell-bent on embracing (almost worshiping) nihilism, B?
Is it because you have already experienced a long and rich life and have lost the capacity to view the world from the perspective of, for example, a child with a terminal illness who is filled with the hope that her life will not end with the death of her body in a few days?
Why are you so determined to take her hope away?
Belinda wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 9:49 am
...and moreover that a true and ultimate form is an idea in the mind of God.
Well, if we look at this from the perspective of a Berkeleyan form of Panentheistic idealism,...
(which, admittedly, could be nonsense like any other concept of God)
...then if the entire universe is indeed the MIND of God, then of course literally everything within its bounds is going to exist in the form of an “idea” within the mind of God.
So no surprise there.
However, the whole point of my own particular theory is that God has been able to fashion his ideas in such a way as to cause his own life essence...
(which is imbued within the fabric of his ideas – imbued within the fabric of human brains)
...to individuate and emerge as a complete and autonomous (familial) replication of himself - as is depicted in yet another of my oft-used illustrations...
In other words, what I am suggesting is that just like any other self-replicating lifeform, God has been able to conceive a complete replication of his
“I AM-ness” (i.e., a replication of his own personal agency and potential) that, following the event of death, can (and will) exist independent of himself...
(metaphorically similar to the way that we now exist independent of our mother and her womb)
...in a higher context of reality that exists above and outside of the cosmic “womb” of his mind and universe.
For what it’s worth, it should be obvious that the concept I am promoting is absolutely drenched in
“natural” metaphors.
Belinda wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 9:49 am
True and ultimate form, together with everlasting orgasmic bliss, is an idea which is no longer useful or credible.
I thought that I had made it quite clear that any expectation of everlasting “orgasmic bliss” in the form of “eternal erections” and harems of female sex slaves with “appetizing vaginas”...
...is pure and utter nonsense.
Belinda wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 9:49 am
It is a very simple, rural, sort of Muslim who believes in everlasting orgasmic bliss,...
Well, perhaps you should take that up with Averroes, because based on this statement from him,...
Averroes wrote: ↑Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:39 pm
In Paradise if we make it there, God willing, the pleasures are tremendous indeed as described by the messengers of God, the Almighty.
...he seems to lean toward the “eternal erection” concept of the Hereafter.
Besides, it’s not just Muslims who believe in a useless and non-evolving
“peel me a grape” state of purposelessness in the afterlife, for Christians seem to bank on something pretty similar.
And likewise, when it comes to visualizing the Hindu/Buddhist concept of the afterlife, I defy you (or anyone else) to come up with something other than the image of someone sitting in the lotus position and eternally contemplating their naval.
Belinda wrote: ↑Sun Oct 18, 2020 9:49 am
...and it is pre-Darwinian religionist who believes in true and ultimate form.
How many times do I have to point out to you, B, that the post Darwinian state of scientific knowledge in no way, shape, or form gives us the slightest clue as to how the pre-existing order...
(again, the unfathomable order that had to be in place before evolution could even commence)
...came into existence?
B, you need to abandon your blind and trusting assumption that the theory of evolution somehow resolves the mystery of reality, for nothing could be further from the truth.
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