SteveKlinko wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:02 pm
Use of Lethal Force is a very subjective thing when dealing with crazed Criminals in the Fog of a difficult arrest. Easy to criticize with 2020 hindsight and lots of time to think about situations that need split second action.
You are talking right past the point of the people who are outraged.
Yes. There are justifiable shootings and hard decisions to make as police officers. Yes there are many situations any reasonable person under duress would've made a split-second decision and used lethal force. Yes - I am a police officer and I agree with ALL of those things.
Those aren't the problems people speak against!
The problem are all the other shootings which reek of poor training, where officers fearful for their own lives have no other tools at their disposal BUT to use lethal force.
Skepdick wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 3:11 pm
you dodged the point about the relevance of "statistical" evidence from 2016 on particular examples of possible police brutality in 2020.
"Particular" examples (i.e. single cases) of "possible" (i.e. undetermined) cases? Heh. That's about as unstatistical a language as a person can use.
Watch the video. It will put some facts in your pocket.
Skepdick wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 3:11 pm
you dodged the point about the relevance of "statistical" evidence from 2016 on particular examples of possible police brutality in 2020.
"Particular" examples (i.e. single cases) of "possible" (i.e. undetermined) cases? Heh. That's about as unstatistical a language as a person can use.
Watch the video. It will put some facts in your pocket.
Q.E.D misapplication of statistics.
"Possibilities" and "probabilities" are statistical constructs.
SteveKlinko wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 2:02 pm
Use of Lethal Force is a very subjective thing when dealing with crazed Criminals in the Fog of a difficult arrest. Easy to criticize with 2020 hindsight and lots of time to think about situations that need split second action.
You are talking right past the point of the people who are outraged.
Yes. There are justifiable shootings and hard decisions to make as police officers. Yes there are many situations any reasonable person under duress would've made a split-second decision and used lethal force. Yes - I am a police officer and I agree with ALL of those things.
Those aren't the problems people speak against!
The problem are all the other shootings which reek of poor training, where officers fearful for their own lives have no other tools at their disposal BUT to use lethal force.
Skepdick wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 3:30 pm
"Possibilities" and "probabilities" are statistical constructs.
Not in the way you use them, apparently.
You use single cases, cases you admit you do not actually know have any racism in them at all, to try to justify outrage, and to argue for a policy change. That's absurd. By your own admission, you haven't even established that there is a link between the single case and racism (you say it's only "possible" racism), let alone a significant number of cases and racism.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 3:58 pm
Not in the way you use them, apparently.
Exactly the way I use them.
Exactly the way any criminal court applies the notion of "beyond reasonable doubt" to the merits of any individual cases.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 3:58 pm
You use single cases, cases you admit you do not actually know have any racism in them at all, to try to justify outrage, and to argue for a policy change. That's absurd. By your own admission, you haven't even established that there is a link between the single case and racism (you say it's only "possible" racism), let alone a significant number of cases and racism.
I've said nothing of that sort, but I love it when the Evil Genius reveals is conniving plan to the unsuspecting audience.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Oct 17, 2020 3:58 pm
Watch the video. It will help you.
I've watched the video. It was the propaganda I used to spread.