Lacewing wrote: ↑Sun Aug 02, 2020 10:16 pm
Atla wrote: ↑Sun Aug 02, 2020 8:29 pm
since there is nothing better to do on this forum most of the time, I ran my usual psychological experiment of trying to beat some sense into them. Just the usual somewhat amusing social work, trying to bring a little more sanity into a self-destructing world, or at least rid a philosophy forum from such idiots so some high level philosophy can be done here instead.
I can relate to doing the experiments and social work too.
Once again revealing what 'you' really think or believe or that 'self', that is;
a self-proclaimed leader or seer who wants to imagine them 'self' as such. As already noted:
These people appear to be driven by a personal need to feel significant (and often "above" others), when they would actually benefit (themselves and everyone else) MORE from resolving their own inability to connect with all rather than trying to be above it.
If, and WHEN, you ever STOP thinking that 'you' are above "others", then 'you' can START connecting with ALL.
If 'you' find your 'self' NOT able to connect with 'me', then what do you think the REASON IS that you can NOT connect with ALL?
Lacewing wrote: ↑Sun Aug 02, 2020 10:16 pm
It's hard to give up on people's potential -- I always think there has to be more. It's hard to understand why they don't want any broader truths beyond the small and limited, highly-controlled, and imaginatively-
known Universe they are fixated on.
LOL you have ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA what MY VIEWS ARE, yet here you are BELIEVING that you already do. And, because you BELIEVE that mine do NOT fit in with your very narrowed and short sighted view of things, then it is I who does NOT have the, so called, broader truths.
Are you even remotely OPEN to considering that MY VIEWS might actually be far broader than YOURS ARE?
Or is this just NOT at all possible?
Lacewing wrote: ↑Sun Aug 02, 2020 10:16 pm
But wow... some have really shown how deep they can go. I think it's tied to their identity... and if they admit any cracks in the sham, their identity crumbles. I would be more gentle discussing such a thing in person... but the nutjobs on this forum are hardcore liars who ooze deception and arrogance more than most. They babble in a corner and/or present themselves as seers and knowers (perhaps because they're not being challenged in person).
I WANT to be CHALLENGED on what I actually SAY, and MEAN. But, you appear to NOT like doing this. You actually prefer to attack 'me' and NOT the actual words.
Lacewing wrote: ↑Sun Aug 02, 2020 10:16 pm
And they don't interact honestly much because they're clearly full of indefensible crap.
Or, JUST MAYBE something else is going on here? Is that even possible, to 'you'?
Lacewing wrote: ↑Sun Aug 02, 2020 10:16 pm
Atla wrote: ↑Sun Aug 02, 2020 8:29 pmI mainly probe the minds of such strange people in order to acquire an extremely high understanding of the humand mind.
It is interesting in that it demonstrates the depth and addiction of delusional mental states to be aware of and avoid.
One of those CLEARLY demonstrated 'delusional mental states', to me anyway, is BELIEVING that it is ALWAYS the "other" who is the, so called, "strange person", and that they HAVE actually ALREADY "acquired an EXTREMELY HIGH 'understanding' of the "human mind".
From this 'delusional state' they are in complete ignorance, or forgetfulness, that 'you', human beings, in the days that this is being written, still have absolutely NO idea what the 'mind' actually IS, let alone how the actual 'Mind' actually works.
Lacewing wrote: ↑Sun Aug 02, 2020 10:16 pm
I'm thinking many of us may experience such a state briefly and to varying degrees in certain times and situations of our lives. But most of us evolve beyond it without turning it into a religion to serve our identity long-term.
'your' religion "lacewing" is just like ALL of the other religions, wherein YOUR BELIEF in your own story is just as strong as the "others" are. That is YOUR BELIEF is immovable and unchanging.
'you', "lacewing", actually BELIEVE that your views are true, right, AND correct, which, by the way, is an actual 'delusional mental state'. But because of this state of BELIEF you are NOT actually able to SEE the 'delusion' and so can NOT evolve beyond it, as PROVEN ALREADY, by your VERY OWN WORDS.
You actually BELIEVE that there is NOT One True Story, and that EVERY one has there OWN story. This is YOUR BELIEF, and YOUR RELIGION, which has served 'you' "long-term", relative your VERY SHORT existence.
Lacewing wrote: ↑Sun Aug 02, 2020 10:16 pm
Atla wrote: ↑Sun Aug 02, 2020 8:29 pm
His delusion isn't even all that interesting.. we are one and the same with God but God needs us to express itself, humans together with this universal 'God-I' co-create reality using their imaginations, evolution is heading towards humanity realizing this role bla bla bla etc. etc. It's pretty tedious and I have already considered these kind of ideas long ago. There may be a grain of truth to it or two, but it's 90% wrong in this form.
Agreed. The only reason for someone to claim they "know" of such a thing that will be known by others "one day" is to elevate and serve themselves.
Is this the ONLY reason?
Could there NOT be ANY other reason at all?
If yes to these clarifying questions, then HOW do 'you', supposedly, KNOW this?
Lacewing wrote: ↑Sun Aug 02, 2020 10:16 pm
It changes nothing right now.
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING I say in this forum is meant to change anything right now. The "time" is NOT YET 'RIGHT'.
ALLOWING 'you', human beings, to keep IGNORING what is being said here now and to keep ABUSING each "other" and your One and ONLY home is HAPPENING for a very PERFECT REASON.
What IS happening and occurring HERE, NOW is PERFECTION, in ACTION.
Lacewing wrote: ↑Sun Aug 02, 2020 10:16 pm
I especially don't like the way these "seers" don't recognize or acknowledge the existing and active potential in everyone else!
LOL if you actually BELIEVE that this is what I do NOT recognize, then you are actually far more BLINDED than I first noticed.
And, some people do NOT like the way 'you' do NOT recognize or acknowledge the existing and active potential in EVERY one else.
By the way, if you BELIEVE that I do NOT recognize nor have ALREADY acknowledged the potential in EVERY one, then you still have a LOT MORE to learn in regards to what I have ALREADY actually SAID, and ACKNOWLEDGED.
Lacewing wrote: ↑Sun Aug 02, 2020 10:16 pm
Do they really think that the Universe is so freakin' small as to make THEMSELVES the only seers? That doesn't make any sense!
Who are you asking this to?
Who are you actually referencing this about?
What you said here has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with what I have actually already said, and will say.
Also, if that perception of yours does NOT make any sense, AND you still do NOT YET understand what some people might have that type of view, then you really do have a LOT MORE to learn, and understand, about 'you', human beings.
Oh, and by the way, WHY do you think and/or believe that you are the 'only seer' of some truths?
You do know that you do appear to have a very strong drive and need to be above "others" in regards to "sharing", making it known, YOUR OWN VIEW and some of your OWN truths about the Universe, which you BELIEVE that you are the "seer" of?
You, obviously, STRONGLY DESIRE "others" to SEE what you ALREADY SEE, and thus are the only SEER of.