The point is within Morality there is its substance and its forms.Belinda wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 9:25 amForm the fact Man is a social animal it follows Man is a moral animal.Peter Holmes wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 8:38 am The longer this drivel dribbles on, the more convinced I am that moral realism/objectivism - belief in the existence of a moral reality and, therefore, moral facts - is identical in form to supernaturalism: animism, diabolism, theism, and so on.
There's the same irrationality - faith despite the absence of evidence and sound argument - and the same determination to justify the faith. Which of us wants to be, or at least appear, irrational?
I've not seen research into the overlap between the two forms of irrationalism, but I'd guess it's considerable.
But Man is a moral animal does not imply Every man holds the same moral tenets.
The question should read Are any moral tenets (or any morals) objective?
Whilst not every man will hold the same moral tenets as in the moral forms, the substance of moral within each man is the same for every man.
That man is a moral animal is a fact, i.e. basically a moral fact.
Those moral facts that I had justified empirically and philosophically as Justified True Moral Facts represent the substance of Morality.
Moral Forms are definitely subjective and relative to different man as warranted in different conditions and these cannot be moral facts as justified.