Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 10:50 am
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:42 amDescribing any thing is an apparent appearance known by no thing. Descriptions are seemingly somethings appearing from nothing.
Age wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 12:04 pmEven if this was true, descriptions are still describing some 'thing'. And, one of those 'things', which has ALREADY been described is the 'thing',
Things are apparently being described by no thing.
But what is "apparent", to you, is obviously NOT what is necessarily true.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 10:50 am
So what is being described is both true and untrue, according to belief which is just another conceptual appearance of no thing.
But no thing does NOT have a BELIEF, obviously.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 10:50 am
Age wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 12:04 pm which is you BELIEVE is absolutely TRUE is that there is a 'thing' that is "elusive", "mysterious", and is "unknowable". YET 'It' has ALREADY been described, in and through words and language.
No thing is absolutely true or untrue except as a belief no thing is believing.
But only 'you', human beings, BELIEVE 'things'.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 10:50 am
No thing is "elusive", "mysterious", or "unknowable"
But 'you' just actually described, with words and through language, what WAS, supposedly, "elusive", "mysterious, or "unknowable". So, now that 'you' have described 'it', 'it' is therefore NOT elusive, mysterious, NOR unknowable ANYMORE. Thanks to 'you'.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 10:50 am
because things are known as concepts by the only knowing there is which is conciousness which is just another word for knowledge which arises from nowhere and no thing to no one.
Does 'consciousness' not arise in this Universe?
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 10:50 am
Therefore Consciousness is an "elusive", "mysterious", "unknowable" process even to itself, except in this conception which is also a conceptual fiction.
But if 'Consciousness' is the only knowing there is, then 'what is known' would obviously NOT be "elusive", nor "mysterious", nor "unknowable to 'Consciousness', Itself.
If ANY thing is elusive, mysterious, and/or unknowable, then they would ONLY be these things to 'those' who are NOT YET aware of 'them'.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 10:50 am
Like I said and will repeat, there is only knowledge which is empty fullness.
You have also repeatedly said that this is just fiction, thus false.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 10:50 am
The "elusive", "mysterious", or "unknowable" is the KNOWER...simply because it's ONENESS, and oneness itself cannot know how it gets itself off it's own starting block.
But as 'I' have ALREADY informed 'you' this KNOWER is KNOWN by 'Conscsiouness', Itself, as well as other things, and this One ALREADY KNOWS EVERY thing, which you BELIEVE and KEEP REPEATING is, supposedly, "elusive", "mysterious", and "unknowable".
I agree, wholeheartedly, with 'you' that thee Knower is VERY elusive, mysterious, and unknowable to 'you'. But this is ONLY because of the way 'you' ARE.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 10:50 am
What is being discussed here is the Infinite.
Since WHEN?
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 10:50 am
There is only the Infinite.
There is A Universe, which is broken down or separated into many different parts, by 'you', human beings, which this Universe is infinite. So, it could be very easily argued that there is in fact MORE than "only the infinite".
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 10:50 am
Infinity cannot be divided,
But 'you', human beings, can divide the infinite Universe, conceptually. Or, can 'you', "dontaskme", conceptualize this?
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 10:50 am
it always remains infinite.
Well what IS infinite OBVIOUSLY does not NOT all of sudden become NOT infinite.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 10:50 am
If it could be divided, each part would be infinite. And there cannot be two infinites. Suppose there were, one would limit the other, and both would be finite. Infinity can only be one, undivided.
'Infinity' is just a concept of length, correct?
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 10:50 am
Thus the infinite is one and not many.
Infinity goes will ALL numbers. Each is one, and NOT many.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 10:50 am
All relative ideas about the infinite are absurd,
Is your OWN, relative, idea about the infinite absurd? Or, is this absurd ONLY held for "others"?
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 10:50 am
therefore claiming to know infinity is absurb and is why infinity is "elusive", "mysterious", and "unknowable" even to itself.
Did 'you', "dontaskme", just 'claim to know' 'infinity' in about the last eight sentences?
If those sentences where NOT claims about 'knowing' 'infinity', then what were they EXACTLY?
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 10:50 am
Words and language are temporal appearances of infinity itself that can never touch upon itself without artificially separating itself albeit illusory because Self is always and ever infinity itself.
WHY do 'you' sometimes say there is NO 'Self' but at other times, like just now, you say things like; "Self is always and every infinity itself"?
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 10:50 am
I don't know how many times Age wants to forget this simple KNOWLEDGE.
Okay.
Do 'you' know how many times "age", supposedly, 'wants' to forget 'other' KNOWLEDGE?
If you do, then WHY do you NOT know about this 'simple' KNOWLEDGE?
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:42 am
This Nothingness appearing as Everything cannot be descibed because it's unknowable, any thing that is known is a fiction, a fiction is a concept which is both real and unreal simultaneously.
But it is ALL ALREADY KNOWN, AND DESCRIBED.
In fact there is NOT one thing left to 'describe'.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 10:50 am
Age wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 12:04 pm But just because you BELIEVE this to be true does NOT make it true.
To believe requires a believer. There is no believer except the imagined idea of one which is an appearance of no thing.
And this is ANOTHER EXAMPLE of NOT looking at one's own behavior.
Instead of just admitting that what you BELIEVE is true may not necessarily be true, you would just prefer to 'try' and deflect and say what you have here.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 10:50 am
There is no one believing beliefs, there is no one knowing knowledge.
If one 'believes' BELIEFS or not depends on how much 'you' want to seriously LOOK into this, and DISCUSS this?
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 10:50 am
Except within the imaginary dream of separation of 'me' world, aka the mind who constructs, albeit illusory.
Nothing is true or untrue except in this imaginary constructed 'me' dream, that is artificially constructed by the brain. Therefore the dream realm is both true and untrue since both are known concepts within consciousness, and consciousness is all there is.
OBVIOUSLY, IF 'consciousness is all there is' is known, then it is just a constructed concept, and therefore just illusory, that is; to your, so called, "logic", "dontaskme".
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 10:50 amAge wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 12:04 pm Also, if what you allege and say is known to you, then by your own, so called, "logic", then it is just fiction anyway.
To know you know is a fiction, for there is no one knowing any thing, except in the dream world of imagined concepts, known by no one.
So, this is just PURE FICTION, correct?
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:42 am
What's being expressed here is a fictional idea...aka nothing...no thing.
Age wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 12:04 pm If you say so.
But WHY do you say this, and thus say so?
There is no one saying this, all communication is an imagined conceptual appearance of no thing.[/quote]
Okay. So, WHY is no thing saying this?
What is the actual purpose of continuing to keep repeating this?
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 10:50 am
Age wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 12:04 pm Also, do NOT forget that you are FREE to BELIEVE whatever 'it' is that you WANT to BELIEVE is true, but also remember that this does NOT necessarily make what you BELIEVE to be true, true at all.
Beliefs whether they be true or false arises as the story within the all inclusive 'What Is' and can be both untrue or true, real or unreal, or whatever the particular believing energy is focused on at the time.
See, even HERE 'you', "dontaskme", still BELIEVES that what 'you' say is true and real, but what "others" say is false and fiction.
You have, very subtly here, suggested that what "others" say or 'What Is' CAN BE '
BOTH untrue and true', but have hinted that your OWN BELIEFS may be true
OR false.
Why is it that your OWN BELIEFS are EITHER true OR false, but, to you, other things can be BOTH true AND false.
And, of course, what you BELIEVE is NEVER false, and ALWAYS true, to you, correct?
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Jul 31, 2020 10:50 am
However, all beliefs whether they be real unreal, true or false are just fictions anyway arising herenow nowere in no one, to no one, and for no one as there is no believer, except as a belief.
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But who and/or what is having/holding this 'belief'?