'Knowledge' and 'Belief' as Primordial Antitheses

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Re: 'Knowledge' and 'Belief' as Primordial Antitheses

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nothing wrote: Fri Jul 17, 2020 2:59 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:43 pm A variable which is fixed is no longer a variable.
The nature of the relation between any conjugate binary is fixed,
the two aspects of the binary are relatively variable
however do not change. If one is alpha, the other is omega
and vice versa.

This is thesis and antithesis of the Hegelian dialectic.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:43 pm This is just the thesis/antithesis dichotomy. For every positive state a dual negative results. This dualism necessitates belief as relatively thetical or antithetical to knowledge depending on how it is viewed.
Not if/when subject to "all".
To know all... implies knowing who/what/where/why/when/how and/or if not to believe.
To believe all... implies believing all manner of nonsense.
All knowledge negates all belief-based ignorance(s) ad infinitum, god-or-no-god.


Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:43 pm And all conjugation is subject to disconjugation thus a cycle occurs.
Engaging with conjugation is discretionary.

Cycles occur only if/when eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil ie. 'BELIEF'
wherein the constituency of a false belief is acted upon as true. This highlights the need
to extract the roots of any/all beliefs and try/test them for their validity/veracity.
This is done using the alpha/omega/beg/end wherein the end of any ignorance
can be inferred if/when the beginning of it is acknowledged. The alpha/omega
are a null binary satisfying all binaries (operators) whereas the beg/end are roots.
All conjugation has a dual omega/antithetical element of disconjugation. It is a reciprocal loop which is universal. For every thesis and antithesis occurs.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:43 pm Negation alone negates itself
No.
Let 1 be unity.
-(-1) = 1
not not unity = unity

All that is not not unity is unity.
All that is not unity is belief-based ignorance(s).

False, negation of all is negation of negation thus a positive. To take a primarily skeptical attitude is to eventually necessitate the belief in some premise.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:43 pm The conscience is determined by where its loyalties lie as a group of assumed axioms that are the premise from where one's resting beliefs exist. Conscienceness is determined by the beliefs one's premises originate.
The presence/absence of conscience is determined by where the loyalties of the being lay.
One may be rooted in a knowledge-based premise rather than a belief-based one.
The quality of the conscience can be measured according to the quality of the question it can posit/address.
The level of consciousness is determined by the absence of belief-based ignorance (unconsciousness).

And what is a knowledge based premise? Even 1+2=3 necessitates the assumption of phenomenon which fall under 1+2=3. 1+2=3 can mean an infinite variety of things.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:43 pm A methodology is the means through which consciousness exists...
Other way around: consciousness provides means through which method may exist.

From a premise of "all is one", all is connected and any relationship where one phenomenon exists prior to another is grounded in the relative viewpoint of the observer.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:43 pm Communist atheism,
Here we go again, pointing fingers at others. Look here! Look there!
Both theists and atheists believe something they do not know.

And all knowledge is grounded in beleif. To even state a mathematical truth is to assumed a series of variables which align with the equation presented. The equation can equivocate to an infinite variety of phenomenon, thus what is quantified exists as a beginning base for even mathematics.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:43 pm Knowledge is grounded in knowing one's uncertainty
Yes, knowing one knows not is a knowledge-in-and-of-itself,
something "believers" have no knowledge of. Knowing one knows not
is integral to ever coming to know anything at all, else: BELIEF.

"BELIEVER vs. UNBELIEVER"

Couple thousand years running now.

Belief vs unbelief is a false dichotomy as different grades of knowledge necessitate different grades of belief.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:43 pm All knowledge must be tried in the face of new variables
Applies to belief, not knowledge. The knowledge is the "new variable" to which old beliefs are subject to.

False, knowledge is categorization and categories are defined and redefined.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:43 pm In regards to "pathetic" the accuser is accused. It is a historical fact that unbelievers killed believers and then blamed the Jews.
Because you said it is? You have it the wrong way around:
believers have (and do) kill unbelievers and blame Jews.
Muhammad died cursing Jews. Hitler died cursing Jews.
Blaming Jews is woven into the fabric of Islam because
Muslims know not they are the real book-worshiping "Jews"
as they have no capacity to account for their own actions.

And Rome's persecution of religious minorities existed long before Islam.

This is the same as the original sin, hence Adam blamed the woman,
hence the hijab/niqab/burqa - the truth is in plain sight, and it would take
a "believer" to "believe" otherwise.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:43 pm Militant language resulting in the slaughter of millions is a basic archetype which existed long before Islam or Nazism. Ancient Rome slaughtered and killed millions to promote their beliefs and government long before Islam. The same occurred with Macedonia during Alexander the Great's rule. Is Islam responsible for this basic archetype? No, as other governments existed under such patterns prior to Islam.
Pointing more fingers into the distant past. I prefer to remain in the here-and-now.

The accuser is accused, you are pointing finger's at Islam and Nazism. Rome's persecutions existed long before Islam. Islam is not the root of the Nazi archetype being discussed.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:43 pm Atheistic governments result in the same bloodshed.
More finger pointing.
Both theists and atheists believe something they do not know.

God and ultimate truth can neither be proven or unproven considering any proof would require it existing at a higher state than God/Ultimate Truth, thus paradoxical a God/Ultimate Truth.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:43 pm You are just angry with believers,
The first victim of any belief-based ideology is the believer in/of it.

So are you a victim of CKIIT lol?
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:43 pm when the evidence shows war, genocide and murder are justified by a variety of variables not limited to religious belief.

Any knowledge can be used to justify a belief.
No evidence, and not limited to religious belief.
Belief implies absence of knowledge, thus the problem is absence of knowledge
to the same degree the presence of belief-based ignorance is.

Any belief can be used to justify a "knowledge".

Any knowledge can be used to justify a belief.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:43 pm No, I am pointing to a historical fact that not all murder, rape and genocide is grounded in religious belief and you ignore this because it contradicts your premises.
I ignore it because you didn't actually give any "facts" or "evidence" about anything - you are just asserting it.
Communist persecutions under Stalin: Holodimir is the name if memory servss.

You don't understand the premises of CKIIT - not even the first.

Point to someone who does understand, I am not seeing a long line of people.


Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:43 pm Atheism is an absence of belief
No it is not, it is still a belief that god does not exist ie. is man-made.
This is not a knowledge on their part, this is a belief, hence again:
theists/atheists are in the same boat. Neither know.

Atheism is an absence of belief in God. It has no dogma defining God as man made or not. Atheism has no strict dogma other than absence of belief, it does even clearly state that God does not exist only that the observer does not believe.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Tue Jul 14, 2020 10:43 pm God cannot be proven or disproven...
Hence the existence/proof of god is outside the scope of CKIIT, instead the CKIIT solution satisfies both conditions: god-or-no-god.
Hence knowing all not to believe approaches any possible all-knowing god (if one exists) or knowing not to believe in one (if one exists not).
Which ever one happens to be more/less true approaches the cessation of human suffering of human origin, the focus of CKIIT.

If God, as ultimate truth, can be neither proven nor disproven, no lesser truths can be proven or disproven as well without proof merely being the assumed angle of the observer.
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Re: 'Knowledge' and 'Belief' as Primordial Antitheses

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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:05 pm This is thesis and antithesis of the Hegelian dialectic.
Alpha and Omega actually appear in the expressions describing the physical universe.
One may call them anything, as again: they are a null binary satisfying any/all binaries
whose relationship is that of perpetual conjugation.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:05 pm All conjugation has a dual omega/antithetical element of disconjugation.
What conjugation is to "not unity",
"disconjugation" is to not "not unity"
viz. unity. These two discrete conditions
reflect belief and knowledge resp. wherein
conjugation begins/ends internally according
to ones own internal conflict (if any).

All "external" conflicts are products of internal conflicts.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:05 pm It is a reciprocal loop which is universal. For every thesis and antithesis occurs.
This is the nature of the golden ratio.
This is how/why the golden ratio can not not be
in/as any expression of one(ness).
1 = Φπ²/16 can also be written as
1 = Φ(π/4)²
or
1 = ((1+√5)/2) x (8√5-8)
wherein
((1+√5)/2) = Φ
(8√5-8) = π²

This is how/why the "speed" of light is not only a speed,
it has a fixed/scalar "rate" associated with it, which is
none other than simply '1'. This is how/why c = 1 describes
the energy behind the expansion of the universe, thus
"dark energy" is "dark" because scientists/mathematicians
do not know how to precisely measure a circle (yet).

Yes: the truth is stranger than fiction in this case.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:05 pm False, negation of all is negation of negation
Nonsensical.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:05 pm And what is a knowledge based premise?
Knowing one knows not all.
Implies: knowing not to believe
one to be something one is not.

All knowledge begins/ends with/of ones own being.
There is nothing else to know, as the seat of one's own experience
of life is within themselves, thus only one thing to know: whence
all is experienced.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:05 pm From a premise of "all is one", all is connected and any relationship where one phenomenon exists prior to another is grounded in the relative viewpoint of the observer.
Any relative viewpoint of an observer is grounded in the phenomenon they are viewing, else no observation of.
Phenomena precedes relative viewpoint of the same, as all is one phenomena (according to the same premise).
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:05 pm And all knowledge is grounded in beleif (?).
!

No it is not. All knowledge implies all absence of belief.

All knowing is by way of consciously trying all belief, but
not all belief is by way of consciously trying to know all.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:05 pm Belief vs unbelief is a false dichotomy as different grades of knowledge necessitate different grades of belief.
If it is a false dichotomy, why are you rather militarily defending the Nazi ideology militarily acting upon it?
It takes a "believer" to ever "believe" themselves superior to others and/or others are inferior to themselves.
It follows that all Nazis are pinned by Ananke (by necessity) to the side of the "believers".
All Nazis are "believers", but not all "believers" are Nazis.

This is thus rather a matter of the presence/absence (grades) of conscience:
to try (or not), to test (or not), to falsify (or not)
any/all beliefs, including (and especially) of one's own being,
Nazi or not.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:05 pm False, knowledge is categorization and categories are defined and redefined.
Knowledge is not categorization and can not be redefined, as
knowledge entails knowing a thing to be defined by its limitation(s).
This is the practical use of the s/t=1 and s/t≠1 conditions wherein
the former is unity (cessation of suffering) and the latter suffers
some limitation(s) which weigh down as a gravity (of ignorance).
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:05 pm And Rome's persecution of religious minorities existed long before Islam.
Pointing fingers again? Way back to Rome?
Are you able to stick to the present-day?
Are you not aware past-present-future
are all contained in the present?
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:05 pm The accuser is accused, you are pointing finger's at Islam and Nazism.
Islam is Nazism, not Islam and Nazism. This is a present-day concern
ongoing from the past. Because "believers" can not account for
their own actions, they "believe" themselves to somehow not be
the real book-worshiping "Jews". This is how/why the Left (backed by Islam)
pathologically scapegoats their own crimes against humanity onto humanity.
This is the same illness/agency/pathology of Islam, and the same underlies
the COVID-19 (warfare) attack against humanity. It is being used to subdue
the world according to Islamic warfare. They manufacture problems and later
assert themselves as the only solution.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:05 pm So are you a victim of CKIIT lol?
I know that's what you would love to believe.
It not only helped me, it helped others esp.
towards the solving of unity. No relativist
or "believer" has ever solved for unity.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:05 pm Any knowledge can be used to justify a belief.
The integrity of justification is in the one justifying, thus
it is not a matter of knowledge and/or belief, it is a matter
of the conscience of the one justifying, hence conscious
knowledge of ignorance.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:05 pm Communist persecutions under Stalin: Holodimir is the name if memory servss.
These communist leaders were puppets of the House of Islam (tech. Muslim Brotherhood).
Adolph Hitler fell deeper and deeper into the illusion that the "Jews" were not the Muslim Brotherhood,
who he was actually allied with. They used his power to commit genocide against unbelievers, not "Jews".

The same is happening today: there is virtually zero difference aside from technology,
thus the House of Islam both needs to hide themselves more carefully
at the risk of being exposed as the real Nazis behind the rise of Nazism pre-WWII Germany.
The same "us vs. them" they are sowing now (using their puppet goyim) was the same then.
Same people, same ideology, same strategy.

Image

It would take a "believer" to "believe" Muhammadans are not practically identical to a book-worshiping "Jew".
Worshiping a single book is what makes the Jew.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:05 pm Point to someone who does understand, I am not seeing a long line of people.
Only people who can actually see the theorem can possibly understand it.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:05 pm Atheism is an absence of belief in God.. it does even clearly state that God does not exist only that the observer does not believe.
Theism implies a god(s). Atheism implies the absence of.
As the atheists say "we take it one god further" thus are resolute
there is not a god, which is a belief, not a knowledge.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:05 pm If God, as ultimate truth, can be neither proven nor disproven, no lesser truths can be proven or disproven as well without proof merely being the assumed angle of the observer.
Why should ultimate truth be god?
Suppose ultimate truth is not god?

The existence of a god(s) is not (presently) a scientific question,
hence is outside the scope of CKIIT. Regardless, the solution is valid
god-or-no-god, thus is indiscriminate on the issue of god.
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Re: 'Knowledge' and 'Belief' as Primordial Antitheses

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nothing wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 5:47 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:05 pm This is thesis and antithesis of the Hegelian dialectic.
Alpha and Omega actually appear in the expressions describing the physical universe.
One may call them anything, as again: they are a null binary satisfying any/all binaries
whose relationship is that of perpetual conjugation.

No disagreement.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:05 pm All conjugation has a dual omega/antithetical element of disconjugation.
What conjugation is to "not unity",
"disconjugation" is to not "not unity"
viz. unity. These two discrete conditions
reflect belief and knowledge resp. wherein
conjugation begins/ends internally according
to ones own internal conflict (if any).

All "external" conflicts are products of internal conflicts.

Again, no disagreement.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:05 pm It is a reciprocal loop which is universal. For every thesis and antithesis occurs.
This is the nature of the golden ratio.
This is how/why the golden ratio can not not be
in/as any expression of one(ness).
1 = Φπ²/16 can also be written as
1 = Φ(π/4)²
or
1 = ((1+√5)/2) x (8√5-8)
wherein
((1+√5)/2) = Φ
(8√5-8) = π²

This is how/why the "speed" of light is not only a speed,
it has a fixed/scalar "rate" associated with it, which is
none other than simply '1'. This is how/why c = 1 describes
the energy behind the expansion of the universe, thus
"dark energy" is "dark" because scientists/mathematicians
do not know how to precisely measure a circle (yet).

Yes: the truth is stranger than fiction in this case.

The golden ratio is a statement of relationship between points, again, for the third time, no real disagreement.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:05 pm False, negation of all is negation of negation
Nonsensical.

Negation as an action of existence is a subset of existence, thus negation of all is a negation of the subset thus necessitating negation of negation.


Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:05 pm And what is a knowledge based premise?
Knowing one knows not all.
Implies: knowing not to believe
one to be something one is not.

All knowledge begins/ends with/of ones own being.
There is nothing else to know, as the seat of one's own experience
of life is within themselves, thus only one thing to know: whence
all is experienced.

"I am" is thus a premise of knowledge. This can be doubted however given "am-ness" results in an infinite regress to further actions.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:05 pm From a premise of "all is one", all is connected and any relationship where one phenomenon exists prior to another is grounded in the relative viewpoint of the observer.
Any relative viewpoint of an observer is grounded in the phenomenon they are viewing, else no observation of.
Phenomena precedes relative viewpoint of the same, as all is one phenomena (according to the same premise).

This relative phenomenon is by existence alone an extension of the one, thus all phenomenon are the observation of the one from a series of angles.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:05 pm And all knowledge is grounded in beleif (?).
!

No it is not. All knowledge implies all absence of belief.

Implication is not a causal argument. All knowledge does not cause an absence of belief given that knowledge justifies many beliefs.

All knowing is by way of consciously trying all belief, but
not all belief is by way of consciously trying to know all.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:05 pm Belief vs unbelief is a false dichotomy as different grades of knowledge necessitate different grades of belief.
If it is a false dichotomy, why are you rather militarily defending the Nazi ideology militarily acting upon it?

I am not defending the nazi archetype, I am strictly stating that it goes beyond nazism and Islam back to ancient Rome and Babylon prior. The archetype goes back to the first warmongering country or group of people.

It takes a "believer" to ever "believe" themselves superior to others and/or others are inferior to themselves.
False, one may be superior in a sport, with this tested under trial and error, thus knowing one is superior.


It follows that all Nazis are pinned by Ananke (by necessity) to the side of the "believers".
All Nazis are "believers", but not all "believers" are Nazis.

This is thus rather a matter of the presence/absence (grades) of conscience:
to try (or not), to test (or not), to falsify (or not)
any/all beliefs, including (and especially) of one's own being,
Nazi or not.

False one may be grades of an archetype. They may support "x" mentally, as in believe in it, yet have limited actions of support.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:05 pm False, knowledge is categorization and categories are defined and redefined.
Knowledge is not categorization and can not be redefined, as
knowledge entails knowing a thing to be defined by its limitation(s).

Categorization is observation of limitations.
This is the practical use of the s/t=1 and s/t≠1 conditions wherein
the former is unity (cessation of suffering) and the latter suffers
some limitation(s) which weigh down as a gravity (of ignorance).
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:05 pm And Rome's persecution of religious minorities existed long before Islam.
Pointing fingers again? Way back to Rome?
Are you able to stick to the present-day?
Are you not aware past-present-future
are all contained in the present?

If the past present future are all contained in the present then I am not pointing fingers to the past am I? Lol.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:05 pm The accuser is accused, you are pointing finger's at Islam and Nazism.
Islam is Nazism, not Islam and Nazism. This is a present-day concern
ongoing from the past. Because "believers" can not account for
their own actions, they "believe" themselves to somehow not be
the real book-worshiping "Jews". This is how/why the Left (backed by Islam)
pathologically scapegoats their own crimes against humanity onto humanity.
This is the same illness/agency/pathology of Islam, and the same underlies
the COVID-19 (warfare) attack against humanity. It is being used to subdue
the world according to Islamic warfare. They manufacture problems and later
assert themselves as the only solution.

The nazi-Islam archetype goes on long before either of these archetypes are presented.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:05 pm So are you a victim of CKIIT lol?
I know that's what you would love to believe.
It not only helped me, it helped others esp.
towards the solving of unity. No relativist
or "believer" has ever solved for unity.

No it hasn't. It is just a mode of interpretation. Give evidence where it has helped others.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:05 pm Any knowledge can be used to justify a belief.
The integrity of justification is in the one justifying, thus
it is not a matter of knowledge and/or belief, it is a matter
of the conscience of the one justifying, hence conscious
knowledge of ignorance.

Conscience thus determines knowledge, one's beginning point of knowledge thus determines what knowledge builds upon it.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:05 pm Communist persecutions under Stalin: Holodimir is the name if memory servss.
These communist leaders were puppets of the House of Islam (tech. Muslim Brotherhood).
Adolph Hitler fell deeper and deeper into the illusion that the "Jews" were not the Muslim Brotherhood,
who he was actually allied with. They used his power to commit genocide against unbelievers, not "Jews".

These are assertions with no proof given shariah law was not implemented under communism. As a matter of fact a moral code not related to shariah law was pushed.

The same is happening today: there is virtually zero difference aside from technology,
thus the House of Islam both needs to hide themselves more carefully
at the risk of being exposed as the real Nazis behind the rise of Nazism pre-WWII Germany.
The same "us vs. them" they are sowing now (using their puppet goyim) was the same then.
Same people, same ideology, same strategy.

Image

It would take a "believer" to "believe" Muhammadans are not practically identical to a book-worshiping "Jew".
Worshiping a single book is what makes the Jew.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:05 pm Point to someone who does understand, I am not seeing a long line of people.
Only people who can actually see the theorem can possibly understand it.

I asked for an example of someone who does understand it. Your reasoning is circular: only people who can see the theorem understand it, but those who understand it do so because they see the theorem.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:05 pm Atheism is an absence of belief in God.. it does even clearly state that God does not exist only that the observer does not believe.
Theism implies a god(s). Atheism implies the absence of.
As the atheists say "we take it one god further" thus are resolute
there is not a god, which is a belief, not a knowledge.


Absence of belief in God(s) is a mode of interpretation.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 17, 2020 5:05 pm If God, as ultimate truth, can be neither proven nor disproven, no lesser truths can be proven or disproven as well without proof merely being the assumed angle of the observer.
Why should ultimate truth be god?
Suppose ultimate truth is not god?

Ultimate truth is a sub definition of God given Gods definition of omnipresence in bring.

The existence of a god(s) is not (presently) a scientific question,
hence is outside the scope of CKIIT. Regardless, the solution is valid
god-or-no-god, thus is indiscriminate on the issue of god.
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Re: 'Knowledge' and 'Belief' as Primordial Antitheses

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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 5:23 pm Negation as an action of existence is a subset of existence, thus negation of all is a negation of the subset thus necessitating negation of negation.
Negation is a subset of non-existence, not existence.
Negation implies an object/subject to negate, hence
negation of negation is nonsensical outside of a double negative
implying the positive: -(-1) = 1 viz. not not one is one.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 5:23 pm "I am" is thus a premise of knowledge. This can be doubted however given "am-ness" results in an infinite regress to further actions.
Not necessarily - "I am" may be a thought, and we run into the identifying with/as thought problem.
"I think, therefor I am..." is upside-down:
"I am, therefor I (may) think..." is correct, or
"I think because I am..."

"I think, knowing I am able to think..." is a premise of knowledge "knowing I am able" however
the knowledge in this case is of ability, not of self, and is still a thought.

"I think, knowing I am willing to think..." is a premise of knowledge "knowing I am willing" however
is still a thought. How does one sever from their own thought process?

"I think not, knowing I am willing not to think..." and thought ceases beyond.
Thus "I know I am willing..." is what is needed to satisfy a premise of knowledge of self.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 5:23 pm This relative phenomenon is by existence alone an extension of the one, thus all phenomenon are the observation of the one from a series of angles.
The problem being observation is distorted according to the local distortions within the being observing.
To whatever degree to which one knows not themselves, the same degree will distort their perception
such to render the condition: they have no conscious knowledge of their own ignorance.
In any case: it takes a believer to believe themselves to be something they are not
such to give rise to any such distortion. This is how/why knowledge begins/ends with the being
(as does belief) meanwhile the consciousness is what is most important.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 5:23 pm Implication is not a causal argument. All knowledge does not cause an absence of belief given that knowledge justifies many beliefs.
Causality bears out implication - belief implies one or more degrees of uncertainty. Beliefs may be justified by knowledge, but only if/when in the form of acknowledging the degrees of uncertainty associated with a belief. If a belief is taken to be certainly true, there is no knowledge in this.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 5:23 pm I am not defending the nazi archetype, I am strictly stating that it goes beyond nazism and Islam back to ancient Rome and Babylon prior. The archetype goes back to the first warmongering country or group of people.
You are defending the Nazi archetype by attempting to point back in the distant past instead of dealing with the here-and-now.
It doesn't matter where it came from, what matters is it exists now and is causing a great deal of human suffering, as it has, and will.
The problem is contained in the division "believer vs. unbeliever" as is the solution - it takes a "believer" to "believe" the opposite of what is true.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 5:23 pm False, one may be superior in a sport, with this tested under trial and error, thus knowing one is superior.
What a false dichotomy.

Being superior in a sport is a product of discipline: to train to become proficient in a certain activity.
The outcome is confined to the scope of the activity, not generally as a human being.

Nazis believe themselves, as "human beings", to be superior to other human beings.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 5:23 pm False one may be grades of an archetype. They may support "x" mentally, as in believe in it, yet have limited actions of support.
Any grade of an archetype still retains the general structure of the original.

Hitler is a graded archetype of Muhammad - both amassed power via oration,
weaponized the state against their political adversaries, expanded militarily
while signing and breaking peace treaties, and subsequently used the power
of the state to commit mass organized genocide, only to die cursing "Jews".

They are of the same nature.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 5:23 pm Categorization is observation of limitations.
No it is not - categorization is a choice based on how one observes.
Definition is resolutely approached by way of observing limitations, as
a thing is defined by its limitation.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 5:23 pm If the past present future are all contained in the present then I am not pointing fingers to the past am I? Lol.
That is exactly what you are doing - pointing fingers at that which does not actually exist.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 5:23 pm Conscience thus determines knowledge, one's beginning point of knowledge thus determines what knowledge builds upon it.
Very good, now understand knowing one knows not is a knowledge-in-and-of-itself.
Also understand that one may rather have a beginning point in belief thus determining
what other beliefs build upon it. This can even be seen in the past ~2000 years
wherein the entire human civilization is built on an erroneous approximation
of the most important relationship in the universe: pi. See what has happened.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 5:23 pm These are assertions with no proof given shariah law was not implemented under communism. As a matter of fact a moral code not related to shariah law was pushed.
The precepts of Sharia are woven into the fabric of decorated Western ideologies.
Communism is Sharia adapted for a Western audience such to conceal the Islamic origin.
Islamophobia is Sharia law adapted for a Western atmosphere.

In reality, the "Islamophobia" is suffered by the "believers" who can not stand hearing the truth (ie. falsity) of Islam.
Thus, they project/scapegoat their own internal nature (ie. irrational fear, phobia) onto whoever is speaking the truth about Islam.
This is how/why "believers" in/of Islam are mentally ill: they can not account for their own internal state of being such
that they have to pathologically blame others for their own state of being. Thus non-Muslims are the scapegoat of Muslims.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 5:23 pm I asked for an example of someone who does understand it. Your reasoning is circular: only people who can see the theorem understand it, but those who understand it do so because they see the theorem.
I already told you: I took it elsewhere. I subjected it to people who actually know how the physical universe works.
Nobody on this forum knows how the physical universe works, as the "math" they would be using is itself deficient.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 5:23 pm Absence of belief in God(s) is a mode of interpretation.
Absence of belief in God(s) is not the same as atheism.
Atheism is resolutely declarative: "no god".
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 5:23 pm Ultimate truth is a sub definition of God given Gods definition of omnipresence in bring.
"Ultimate truth is a sub definition of God" is a presumptuous belief, not an existential reality.
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Re: 'Knowledge' and 'Belief' as Primordial Antitheses

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nothing wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:25 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 5:23 pm Negation as an action of existence is a subset of existence, thus negation of all is a negation of the subset thus necessitating negation of negation.
Negation is a subset of non-existence, not existence.
Negation implies an object/subject to negate, hence
negation of negation is nonsensical outside of a double negative
implying the positive: -(-1) = 1 viz. not not one is one.

False, not blue necessitates an infinite variety of colors which stem from it.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 5:23 pm "I am" is thus a premise of knowledge. This can be doubted however given "am-ness" results in an infinite regress to further actions.
Not necessarily - "I am" may be a thought, and we run into the identifying with/as thought problem.
"I think, therefor I am..." is upside-down:
"I am, therefor I (may) think..." is correct, or
"I think because I am..."

"I think, knowing I am able to think..." is a premise of knowledge "knowing I am able" however
the knowledge in this case is of ability, not of self, and is still a thought.

"I think, knowing I am willing to think..." is a premise of knowledge "knowing I am willing" however
is still a thought. How does one sever from their own thought process?

This still results in "am-ness" as having an infinite regress of actions which ste, from it.

"I think not, knowing I am willing not to think..." and thought ceases beyond.
Thus "I know I am willing..." is what is needed to satisfy a premise of knowledge of self.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 5:23 pm This relative phenomenon is by existence alone an extension of the one, thus all phenomenon are the observation of the one from a series of angles.
The problem being observation is distorted according to the local distortions within the being observing.
These local distortions are approximation of the one through the many. These "distortions" are still facets of the "one".


To whatever degree to which one knows not themselves, the same degree will distort their perception
such to render the condition: they have no conscious knowledge of their own ignorance.
False, in observing a distortions this distortion observes a degree of where one knows they do not know something.


In any case: it takes a believer to believe themselves to be something they are not
such to give rise to any such distortion. This is how/why knowledge begins/ends with the being
(as does belief) meanwhile the consciousness is what is most important.

Consciousness exists through knowledge, this knowledge is dualistically intertwined with belief given an assumed premise is accepted as is.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 5:23 pm Implication is not a causal argument. All knowledge does not cause an absence of belief given that knowledge justifies many beliefs.
Causality bears out implication - belief implies one or more degrees of uncertainty. Beliefs may be justified by knowledge, but only if/when in the form of acknowledging the degrees of uncertainty associated with a belief. If a belief is taken to be certainly true, there is no knowledge in this.

As said before, belief is the acceptance of a series of phenomenon thus shares the same foundations as knowledge. Knowledge is justified belief where what is believed occurs through a series of connected assumptions.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 5:23 pm I am not defending the nazi archetype, I am strictly stating that it goes beyond nazism and Islam back to ancient Rome and Babylon prior. The archetype goes back to the first warmongering country or group of people.
You are defending the Nazi archetype by attempting to point back in the distant past instead of dealing with the here-and-now.
False, the modern archetype of government militarism shares the same nature as that of ancient Rome or Babylon. Besides the past is not so distant given, according to you, the past-present-future occurs through the present. This basic history, that of militaristic government occuring prior to Islam/Nazism puts a hole in your theory.


It doesn't matter where it came from, what matters is it exists now and is causing a great deal of human suffering, as it has, and will.
The origins of a phenomenon show how it exists in the present and the future.


The problem is contained in the division "believer vs. unbeliever" as is the solution - it takes a "believer" to "believe" the opposite of what is true.

There is not believer vs unbeliever dichotomy other than the one you are projecting.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 5:23 pm False, one may be superior in a sport, with this tested under trial and error, thus knowing one is superior.
What a false dichotomy.

Being superior in a sport is a product of discipline: to train to become proficient in a certain activity.
The outcome is confined to the scope of the activity, not generally as a human being.

Nazis believe themselves, as "human beings", to be superior to other human beings.

And they where superior in technological innovation. Does it make them superior to others? No, but superiority is relative and occurs through degrees.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 5:23 pm False one may be grades of an archetype. They may support "x" mentally, as in believe in it, yet have limited actions of support.
Any grade of an archetype still retains the general structure of the original.

Hitler is a graded archetype of Muhammad - both amassed power via oration,
weaponized the state against their political adversaries, expanded militarily
while signing and breaking peace treaties, and subsequently used the power
of the state to commit mass organized genocide, only to die cursing "Jews".

They are of the same nature.

And Muhammad is a graded archetypes of Roman emperors such as Aurelius and Nero.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 5:23 pm Categorization is observation of limitations.
No it is not - categorization is a choice based on how one observes.
Definition is resolutely approached by way of observing limitations, as
a thing is defined by its limitation.

Categorization is definition as the relation of phenomenon which apex under a principle.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 5:23 pm If the past present future are all contained in the present then I am not pointing fingers to the past am I? Lol.
That is exactly what you are doing - pointing fingers at that which does not actually exist.

False, Rome existed....the accuser is accused.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 5:23 pm Conscience thus determines knowledge, one's beginning point of knowledge thus determines what knowledge builds upon it.
Very good, now understand knowing one knows not is a knowledge-in-and-of-itself.
Also understand that one may rather have a beginning point in belief thus determining
what other beliefs build upon it. This can even be seen in the past ~2000 years
wherein the entire human civilization is built on an erroneous approximation
of the most important relationship in the universe: pi. See what has happened.

False, this is a localization of one phenomenon out of many thus is a distortion on your part. Rome, Islam, Nazism, as militaristic governments did not depend solely on Pi in determining there actions. Again you are backed in a corner and your only response is a crass "the accuser is accused.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 5:23 pm These are assertions with no proof given shariah law was not implemented under communism. As a matter of fact a moral code not related to shariah law was pushed.
The precepts of Sharia are woven into the fabric of decorated Western ideologies.
Communism is Sharia adapted for a Western audience such to conceal the Islamic origin.
Islamophobia is Sharia law adapted for a Western atmosphere.

No, the precepts of non-sharia and sharia law originate from an archetype which existed prior.

In reality, the "Islamophobia" is suffered by the "believers" who can not stand hearing the truth (ie. falsity) of Islam.
Thus, they project/scapegoat their own internal nature (ie. irrational fear, phobia) onto whoever is speaking the truth about Islam.
This is how/why "believers" in/of Islam are mentally ill: they can not account for their own internal state of being such
that they have to pathologically blame others for their own state of being. Thus non-Muslims are the scapegoat of Muslims.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 5:23 pm I asked for an example of someone who does understand it. Your reasoning is circular: only people who can see the theorem understand it, but those who understand it do so because they see the theorem.
I already told you: I took it elsewhere. I subjected it to people who actually know how the physical universe works.
Nobody on this forum knows how the physical universe works, as the "math" they would be using is itself deficient.

Again pointing fingers elsewhere. I asked for examples. You cannot point fingers at the forum when in fact there are a diversity of ways in which the physical universe is understood. It appears you are looking for a circular agreement to your theory when the evidence is it does not hold.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 5:23 pm Absence of belief in God(s) is a mode of interpretation.
Absence of belief in God(s) is not the same as atheism.
Atheism is resolutely declarative: "no god".

Atheism is "no belief in god."
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 5:23 pm Ultimate truth is a sub definition of God given Gods definition of omnipresence in bring.
"Ultimate truth is a sub definition of God" is a presumptuous belief, not an existential reality.
False considering God is defined as an apex of being, as an apex of being all further being is a sub classification of God. Your argument is falling apart given using Pi as a premise necessitates it as a localization of one facet of a singular reality thus a distortion given you give premise to everything being rooted in a false understanding of Pi. This understand of Pi is in fact a localization of one phenomenon out of many thus is a sub category of ultimate being.
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Re: 'Knowledge' and 'Belief' as Primordial Antitheses

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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:49 pm False, not blue necessitates an infinite variety of colors which stem from it.
Let blue be 1.
-(-1) = 1
not (not blue) = blue

"not blue" is simply -1 which implies absence of blue only
thus of course a variety of colors may be present.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:49 pm This still results in "am-ness" as having an infinite regress of actions which ste, from it.
Not all being is in regress - yours may be, but in that case the condition is local.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:49 pm These local distortions are approximation of the one through the many. These "distortions" are still facets of the "one".
Distortions are a product of two, not one (hence the real/imaginary axes):
one, and sense of separation as if separate from the whole. One is real,
the other is not.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:49 pm False, in observing a distortions this distortion observes a degree of where one knows they do not know something.
In which case it is no longer a distortion, but acknowledgement of the reality as-is.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:49 pm Consciousness exists through knowledge, this knowledge is dualistically intertwined with belief given an assumed premise is accepted as is.
Knowledge exists through consciousness, belief exists through unconsciousness.
Knowing all not to believe implies all-encompassing consciousness.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:49 pm As said before, belief is the acceptance of a series of phenomenon thus shares the same foundations as knowledge.
Acceptance and acknowledgement are not the same - knowledge may entail acceptance that what was once believed is actually not true. Justified belief is another inventive way attempting to pass belief aka not-knowledge as knowledge. It is what religion is exclusively in the business of.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:49 pm False, the modern archetype of government militarism shares the same nature as that of ancient Rome or Babylon. Besides the past is not so distant given, according to you, the past-present-future occurs through the present. This basic history, that of militaristic government occuring prior to Islam/Nazism puts a hole in your theory.
Not according to me, as the past "occurs" not through the present, rather is contained in the present.
Nazism is not a particular identity, it is a set of conditions. It doesn't matter whether it is
Rome or Babylon or Islam, such states come-and-go, whereas a true essence of Nazism
is indiscriminate. The condition relates directly to the presence/absence of a particular belief(s).

Scapegoating the problem onto Rome or Babylon of antiquity is just as pathetic as any scapegoating endeavor I've seen.
It is the same underlying pathology of people not being able to account for their own actions, as apologists endeavor
to defend the polygamy/pedophilia/rape/genocide that is woven into the fabric of Islam, by way of their being woven
into the fabric of the male central figure idol of Islam, Muhammad. People seem to protect whatever is most abusive.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:49 pm The origins of a phenomenon show how it exists in the present and the future.
All that exists is the present - the origins of Nazism is belief-based, hence
one need not look further than the "believer vs. unbeliever" division
so militarily pursued by the House of Islam. All they have is
to point their fingers at others - the essence of Islam/Nazism.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:49 pm There is not believer vs unbeliever dichotomy other than the one you are projecting.
Incredibly ignorant statement on your part.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:49 pm And they where superior in technological innovation. Does it make them superior to others? No, but superiority is relative and occurs through degrees.
Nazis were/are not technologically superior, as technology is one of the things Nazis envy
for not having been their own "superior" product.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:49 pm And Muhammad is a graded archetypes of Roman emperors such as Aurelius and Nero.
So why make a mercy upon mankind male central figure idol out of him as the Muhammadans do?
You are now arguing in my favor, as one can easily conclude all such men were pigs, but strangely
that is what Muslims worship: pig men like Muhammad and Hitler. Their worship of dead pigs
is concealed in their accusations against "Jews" as being pigs, meanwhile worshiping a single book
is what makes the Jew, thus "the accused is the accused" is satisfied upon such accusations.
The Muslims can not see the book-worshiping Jew that lives in their own hearts as,
once again, they can not account for their own actions/nature, just like Adam,
hence the religion of Adam.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:49 pm Categorization is definition as the relation of phenomenon which apex under a principle.
The underlying principle of Nazism is belief, thus all Nazis are defined as "believers"
who "believe" themselves superior to others and/or others inferior to themselves.
This is exactly what "believing" Muslims "believe" yet will deny the same while
pathologically accusing any/all others as being Nazis. That is how Islam works:
scapegoat the crimes of the House of Islam and Muslims onto non-Muslims.
That is how scapegoating (Canaanite) ideologies operate: others pay for the sins of the tribe.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:49 pm False, Rome existed....the accuser is accused.
Rome still exists today, thus why point fingers in the past?
If Rome were actively calling for the killing of unbelievers,
they'd have just as much of a role to play in Nazism.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:49 pm Again you are backed in a corner and your only response is a crass "the accuser is accused.
This is your own condition.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:49 pm No, the precepts of non-sharia and sharia law originate from an archetype which existed prior.
Judaism and Islam are indifferent - in reality, the Muslims are the real book-worshiping Jews who divide the world in two.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:49 pm Again pointing fingers elsewhere. I asked for examples.
I'm not pointing any fingers, I told you I went elsewhere.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:49 pm You cannot point fingers at the forum when in fact there are a diversity of ways in which the physical universe is understood. It appears you are looking for a circular agreement to your theory when the evidence is it does not hold.
The physical universe is not understood, else there would not be dark matter or dark energy.
It is not understood because the nature of the relationship between space and time is not understood.
This is so because the nature of the circle is not understood, given mainstream science knows not how to measure.

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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:49 pm Atheism is "no belief in god."
Because atheists believe there is not a god.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:49 pm False considering God is defined as an apex of being,
Lol according to who? No thanks.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:49 pm as an apex of being all further being is a sub classification of God. Your argument is falling apart given using Pi as a premise necessitates it as a localization of one facet of a singular reality thus a distortion given you give premise to everything being rooted in a false understanding of Pi. This understand of Pi is in fact a localization of one phenomenon out of many thus is a sub category of ultimate being.
Pi is not a premise - pi just is. That pi is equal to ~3.14159... is a premise, and a false one.
The inability for present-day humanity to measure the circle captures the essence of the ignorance
associated with the nature of the relation between line (masc.) and curve (fem.) viz. space and time.

Properly measuring the circle and properly understand the unity of space and time are the same endeavor.
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Re: 'Knowledge' and 'Belief' as Primordial Antitheses

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nothing wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 7:47 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:49 pm False, not blue necessitates an infinite variety of colors which stem from it.
Let blue be 1.
-(-1) = 1
not (not blue) = blue

"not blue" is simply -1 which implies absence of blue only
thus of course a variety of colors may be present.

Not blue necessitates an infinite variety of colors stemming from it. For example not blue as -1 shows a series of fractals which occurs between -1 and 1 on the number line.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:49 pm This still results in "am-ness" as having an infinite regress of actions which ste, from it.
Not all being is in regress - yours may be, but in that case the condition is local.

Regress is part of the continuum, all being exists as part of a continuum thus occurs through fractions and fractals.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:49 pm These local distortions are approximation of the one through the many. These "distortions" are still facets of the "one".
Distortions are a product of two, not one (hence the real/imaginary axes):
one, and sense of separation as if separate from the whole. One is real,
the other is not.

Two is an effect of 1 thus show one as existing through grades of itself as 2.
A single line divided into 2 shows each line as half of the original.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:49 pm False, in observing a distortions this distortion observes a degree of where one knows they do not know something.
In which case it is no longer a distortion, but acknowledgement of the reality as-is.

Each localization, according to you, is a distortion however.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:49 pm Consciousness exists through knowledge, this knowledge is dualistically intertwined with belief given an assumed premise is accepted as is.
Knowledge exists through consciousness, belief exists through unconsciousness.
Knowing all not to believe implies all-encompassing consciousness.

One cannot know all not to believe given belief exists along an infinite continuums next to knowledge.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:49 pm As said before, belief is the acceptance of a series of phenomenon thus shares the same foundations as knowledge.
Acceptance and acknowledgement are not the same - knowledge may entail acceptance that what was once believed is actually not true. Justified belief is another inventive way attempting to pass belief aka not-knowledge as knowledge. It is what religion is exclusively in the business of.

All is assumed, including the "I".
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:49 pm False, the modern archetype of government militarism shares the same nature as that of ancient Rome or Babylon. Besides the past is not so distant given, according to you, the past-present-future occurs through the present. This basic history, that of militaristic government occuring prior to Islam/Nazism puts a hole in your theory.
Not according to me, as the past "occurs" not through the present, rather is contained in the present.
Nazism is not a particular identity, it is a set of conditions. It doesn't matter whether it is
Rome or Babylon or Islam, such states come-and-go, whereas a true essence of Nazism
is indiscriminate. The condition relates directly to the presence/absence of a particular belief(s).

If the past occurs through the present then you cannot claim I am pointing fingers to the past.

Scapegoating the problem onto Rome or Babylon of antiquity is just as pathetic as any scapegoating endeavor I've seen.
It is the same underlying pathology of people not being able to account for their own actions, as apologists endeavor
to defend the polygamy/pedophilia/rape/genocide that is woven into the fabric of Islam, by way of their being woven
into the fabric of the male central figure idol of Islam, Muhammad. People seem to protect whatever is most abusive.

the archetypes existed prior to Islam and you are just scapegoating everything onto nazism/Islam as a pathetic way to justify your beliefs.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:49 pm The origins of a phenomenon show how it exists in the present and the future.
All that exists is the present - the origins of Nazism is belief-based, hence
one need not look further than the "believer vs. unbeliever" division
so militarily pursued by the House of Islam. All they have is
to point their fingers at others - the essence of Islam/Nazism.
Then Rome is present and the issue cannot be blamed on Islam alone.


Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:49 pm There is not believer vs unbeliever dichotomy other than the one you are projecting.
Incredibly ignorant statement on your part.

The accuser is accused.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:49 pm And they where superior in technological innovation. Does it make them superior to others? No, but superiority is relative and occurs through degrees.
Nazis were/are not technologically superior, as technology is one of the things Nazis envy
for not having been their own "superior" product.

False, we got most of the Rocket technology from them.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:49 pm And Muhammad is a graded archetypes of Roman emperors such as Aurelius and Nero.
So why make a mercy upon mankind male central figure idol out of him as the Muhammadans do?
Roman emperors where demanded as central authority figures as well. You are now arguing in my favor.


You are now arguing in my favor, as one can easily conclude all such men were pigs, but strangely
that is what Muslims worship: pig men like Muhammad and Hitler. Their worship of dead pigs
is concealed in their accusations against "Jews" as being pigs, meanwhile worshiping a single book
is what makes the Jew, thus "the accused is the accused" is satisfied upon such accusations.
The Muslims can not see the book-worshiping Jew that lives in their own hearts as,
once again, they can not account for their own actions/nature, just like Adam,
hence the religion of Adam.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:49 pm Categorization is definition as the relation of phenomenon which apex under a principle.
The underlying principle of Nazism is belief, thus all Nazis are defined as "believers"
The underlying principle of Roman authority was beleif as well. Your scapegoating is pathetic.


who "believe" themselves superior to others and/or others inferior to themselves.
This is exactly what "believing" Muslims "believe" yet will deny the same while
pathologically accusing any/all others as being Nazis. That is how Islam works:
scapegoat the crimes of the House of Islam and Muslims onto non-Muslims.
That is how scapegoating (Canaanite) ideologies operate: others pay for the sins of the tribe.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:49 pm False, Rome existed....the accuser is accused.
Rome still exists today, thus why point fingers in the past?
If Rome were actively calling for the killing of unbelievers,
they'd have just as much of a role to play in Nazism.

The archetype of Rome exists today. Plus how can I be pointing fingers at the past when you even state the past is part of the present? Now you are just lying.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:49 pm Again you are backed in a corner and your only response is a crass "the accuser is accused.
This is your own condition.

See that is the only response you can have failing to take into account you are the one accusing Islam and Nazism as the root of suffering today.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:49 pm No, the precepts of non-sharia and sharia law originate from an archetype which existed prior.
Judaism and Islam are indifferent - in reality, the Muslims are the real book-worshiping Jews who divide the world in two.

No because the archetypes existed prior to these, and considering the past is the present according to you, then the modern problem cannot be relegated to Islam and Nazism.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:49 pm Again pointing fingers elsewhere. I asked for examples.
I'm not pointing any fingers, I told you I went elsewhere.

You are still here however :). I asked for examples of where people take you as legitimate not where you went.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:49 pm You cannot point fingers at the forum when in fact there are a diversity of ways in which the physical universe is understood. It appears you are looking for a circular agreement to your theory when the evidence is it does not hold.
The physical universe is not understood, else there would not be dark matter or dark energy.
It is not understood because the nature of the relationship between space and time is not understood.
This is so because the nature of the circle is not understood, given mainstream science knows not how to measure.

Actually to ground everything in the circle is a distortion of the one according to your part.

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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:49 pm Atheism is "no belief in god."
Because atheists believe there is not a god.

atheism is an absence of belief given God cannot be proven.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:49 pm False considering God is defined as an apex of being,
Lol according to who? No thanks.

By definition of what God is. Pi is not the apex but rather a localization of one facet of being.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 6:49 pm as an apex of being all further being is a sub classification of God. Your argument is falling apart given using Pi as a premise necessitates it as a localization of one facet of a singular reality thus a distortion given you give premise to everything being rooted in a false understanding of Pi. This understand of Pi is in fact a localization of one phenomenon out of many thus is a sub category of ultimate being.
Pi is not a premise - pi just is. That pi is equal to ~3.14159... is a premise, and a false one.
All "just is" is an assumed premise. Pi is a calculation therefore is a premise.


The inability for present-day humanity to measure the circle captures the essence of the ignorance
associated with the nature of the relation between line (masc.) and curve (fem.) viz. space and time.

Properly measuring the circle and properly understand the unity of space and time are the same endeavor.

This is a localization of one phenomenon out of many thus a distortion.
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Re: 'Knowledge' and 'Belief' as Primordial Antitheses

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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:02 pm Not blue necessitates an infinite variety of colors stemming from it.
Replace blue with unity
and colors with sufferings.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:02 pm Regress is part of the continuum,
of ignorance, yes.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:02 pm Two is an effect of 1
No, it is not. 1 is an effect of two.
Space and time are two aspects of one reciprocity,
thus space and time are not "two" but actually 1
hence s/t = 1 = light (rate).
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:02 pm Each localization, according to you, is a distortion however.
The reality is non-local - it is not confined to space and/or time.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:02 pm One cannot know all not to believe given belief exists along an infinite continuums next to knowledge.
Nonsense, notwithstanding:
one can endeavor to know all not to believe
knowing belief permits an infinite continuum
next to knowledge ceasing the same.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:02 pm All is assumed, including the "I"
"I" as somehow separate from the whole would be an assumption,
however knowing the same would be a knowledge absent belief/assumption.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:02 pm If the past occurs through the present then you cannot claim I am pointing fingers to the past.
It doesn't.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:02 pm the archetypes existed prior to Islam and you are just scapegoating everything onto nazism/Islam as a pathetic way to justify your beliefs.
Islam is the culmination of the only relevant archetype: man-worship.

If you take a Christian and a Muhammadan and ask them to draw on the following question:
"who is the mercy upon mankind?" the Christian will say "Jesus" and the Muhammadan will say "Muhammad".
This is because both utilize male central figure "mercy upon mankind" idols. They are of the same construct:
greatest model for all of humanity for all of time. The archetype concerned here is man-worship (idol worship).

Muslims are just as much of a book-worshiping "Jew" and/or idol-worshiping Christian as the real Jew/Christian.
Islam embodies all of the hypocrisies of male-centric Abrahamic theology, thus presently serves as the root of Nazism
in glorifying a dead polygamous pedophile genocidal orator warlord who religiously abused women/children.
Muhammad/Islam establishes the global precedent for all of these, and the Muhammadans must use "Jews"
as their own scapegoats while committing the very crimes they accuse the Jews of. This is because the "believer"
can not see/confront the book-worshiping Jew inside of themselves, for having no ability to account for their own actions.

This is how/why the "believers" are of the original sinning kind: they can not account for their own actions
such to pathologically blame others for their own state of being, despite it being of their own internal making.

One may know Islam is the root of Nazism - there is a point it is not a matter of "belief".
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:02 pm Then Rome is present and the issue cannot be blamed on Islam alone.
It is not a matter of blame, it is an matter of the root.
Sexual degeneracy is the root concerned, as justification of the same
is what leads one to search for something that justifies/permits it.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:02 pm The accuser is accused.
This can only apply if an accusation was made.
"Incredibly ignorant statement on your part" is not an accusation addressing a person, but a statement.
Indeed: the statement was/is incredibly ignorant, and also a reflection of your attempt
to blame me for the "believer vs. unbeliever" division. It is the same pathology as the "believers"
who can not confront the realities in which they live.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:02 pm False, we got most of the Rocket technology from them.
The real Nazis do not know how to build a rocket.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:02 pm Roman emperors where demanded as central authority figures as well. You are now arguing in my favor.
More scapegoating?
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:02 pm The underlying principle of Roman authority was beleif as well. Your scapegoating is pathetic.
You're accusing me of exactly what you are doing: pointing fingers at Romans. It is actually pathetic.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:02 pm The archetype of Rome exists today. Plus how can I be pointing fingers at the past when you even state the past is part of the present? Now you are just lying.
You don't have a conscious living experience that past present and future are all one happening.
Therefor you are projecting a "past" that doesn't actually exist - everything that is relevant is here and now.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:02 pm See that is the only response you can have failing to take into account you are the one accusing Islam and Nazism as the root of suffering today.
The root of suffering is belief-based ignorance. Islam happens to be ignorant belief-based Nazism.
The solution to suffering is having a conscious knowledge of ignorance, which "believers" do not.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:02 pm No because the archetypes existed prior to these, and considering the past is the present according to you, then the modern problem cannot be relegated to Islam and Nazism.
The past is not the present, the past is in the present.
Looking in the past such to deny the reality of the present is all you are doing.
The problem is contained in the "believer vs. unbeliever" division: belief-based ignorance.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:02 pm You are still here however :). I asked for examples of where people take you as legitimate not where you went.
Hardly, despite having the most viewed thread on the first page. There is a reason for that.
I know you asked for examples, and I am not going to give you any specific examples
because it involves the individual who derived the real equations which resolutely describe
exactly how the physical universe operates. What I provide in the OP is a corollary of them.
The point I was making was: it was because CKIIT had it right that the barriers in this theorem
were overcome, and now Einstein's e = MC² is solved for, and I know who solved for it.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:02 pm Actually to ground everything in the circle is a distortion of the one according to your part.
Who said anything about grounding into a circle? lol
Pi is the relation between a radius and half circumference,
line and curve. This is what mainstream science is missing.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:02 pm atheism is an absence of belief given God cannot be proven.
Only if/when given the "belief" god is man-made.
God can not be proven because it can not be defined.
You can't look for something unless/until you know
something about what you are looking for.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:02 pm By definition of what God is. Pi is not the apex but rather a localization of one facet of being.
Oh dear.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:02 pm All "just is" is an assumed premise. Pi is a calculation therefore is a premise.
Pi is a relationship that exists independent of calculation. The same is true of a space/time existence.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:02 pm This is a localization of one phenomenon out of many thus a distortion.
You try hard, I give you that.
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Re: 'Knowledge' and 'Belief' as Primordial Antitheses

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nothing wrote: Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:07 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:02 pm Not blue necessitates an infinite variety of colors stemming from it.
Replace blue with unity
and colors with sufferings.

False, various grades of blue necessitates the one existing through the many.
There are various grades of being which necessitate various degrees of non suffering.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:02 pm Regress is part of the continuum,
of ignorance, yes.

The continuous nature of knowledge necessitates a continuu,.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:02 pm Two is an effect of 1
No, it is not. 1 is an effect of two.
Space and time are two aspects of one reciprocity,
thus space and time are not "two" but actually 1
hence s/t = 1 = light (rate).

Two is one self referencing itself recursively.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:02 pm Each localization, according to you, is a distortion however.
The reality is non-local - it is not confined to space and/or time.

All localized portions of reality are an extension of the one. The one exists through time and space as well as beyond it.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:02 pm One cannot know all not to believe given belief exists along an infinite continuums next to knowledge.
Nonsense, notwithstanding:
one can endeavor to know all not to believe
knowing belief permits an infinite continuum
next to knowledge ceasing the same.

To endeavor not all to believe, when belief is an infinite regress according to you, necessitates an infinite regress in negative knowledge (ie knowing what knowledge is by what it is not).
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:02 pm All is assumed, including the "I"
"I" as somehow separate from the whole would be an assumption,
however knowing the same would be a knowledge absent belief/assumption.

"I" as a series of patterns is "I" as a series of localizations where each facet of the I is an approximation of the whole existing through an extension of the one.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:02 pm If the past occurs through the present then you cannot claim I am pointing fingers to the past.
It doesn't.

If memory serves you claim it does.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:02 pm the archetypes existed prior to Islam and you are just scapegoating everything onto nazism/Islam as a pathetic way to justify your beliefs.
Islam is the culmination of the only relevant archetype: man-worship.

If you take a Christian and a Muhammadan and ask them to draw on the following question:
"who is the mercy upon mankind?" the Christian will say "Jesus" and the Muhammadan will say "Muhammad".
This is because both utilize male central figure "mercy upon mankind" idols. They are of the same construct:
greatest model for all of humanity for all of time. The archetype concerned here is man-worship (idol worship).

Muslims are just as much of a book-worshiping "Jew" and/or idol-worshiping Christian as the real Jew/Christian.
Islam embodies all of the hypocrisies of male-centric Abrahamic theology, thus presently serves as the root of Nazism
in glorifying a dead polygamous pedophile genocidal orator warlord who religiously abused women/children.
Muhammad/Islam establishes the global precedent for all of these, and the Muhammadans must use "Jews"
as their own scapegoats while committing the very crimes they accuse the Jews of. This is because the "believer"
can not see/confront the book-worshiping Jew inside of themselves, for having no ability to account for their own actions.

This is how/why the "believers" are of the original sinning kind: they can not account for their own actions
such to pathologically blame others for their own state of being, despite it being of their own internal making.

One may know Islam is the root of Nazism - there is a point it is not a matter of "belief".

Man is the measure of all things, all aspects of measurement occur through human reasoning.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:02 pm Then Rome is present and the issue cannot be blamed on Islam alone.
It is not a matter of blame, it is an matter of the root.
Sexual degeneracy is the root concerned, as justification of the same
is what leads one to search for something that justifies/permits it.

The root thus goes beyond Islam and Nazism.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:02 pm The accuser is accused.
This can only apply if an accusation was made.
"Incredibly ignorant statement on your part" is not an accusation addressing a person, but a statement.
Asserting the ignorance of another is an accusation. All accusations are statements.


Indeed: the statement was/is incredibly ignorant, and also a reflection of your attempt
to blame me for the "believer vs. unbeliever" division. It is the same pathology as the "believers"
who can not confront the realities in which they live.

The believer vs unbeliever dichotomy is the assertion you keep pushing.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:02 pm False, we got most of the Rocket technology from them.
The real Nazis do not know how to build a rocket.

False we got much of our technology, post world war two, from prior nazi scientists. Warner van Braun, if memory serves, is an example.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:02 pm Roman emperors where demanded as central authority figures as well. You are now arguing in my favor.
More scapegoating?

More ignoring the history of the archetype and hypocritically scapegoating everything on Nazism/Islam?
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:02 pm The underlying principle of Roman authority was beleif as well. Your scapegoating is pathetic.
You're accusing me of exactly what you are doing: pointing fingers at Romans. It is actually pathetic.

I have no problem pointing fingers considering pointing fingers is inevitable, you have a problem with it however while hypocritically doing it.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:02 pm The archetype of Rome exists today. Plus how can I be pointing fingers at the past when you even state the past is part of the present? Now you are just lying.
You don't have a conscious living experience that past present and future are all one happening.
Therefor you are projecting a "past" that doesn't actually exist - everything that is relevant is here and now.

The now is built upon the past.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:02 pm See that is the only response you can have failing to take into account you are the one accusing Islam and Nazism as the root of suffering today.
The root of suffering is belief-based ignorance. Islam happens to be ignorant belief-based Nazism.
The solution to suffering is having a conscious knowledge of ignorance, which "believers" do not.

All knowledge regresses to further knowledge thus it is impossible to not observe some degree of belief within any core assumptions one grounds their knowledge in.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:02 pm No because the archetypes existed prior to these, and considering the past is the present according to you, then the modern problem cannot be relegated to Islam and Nazism.
The past is not the present, the past is in the present.
Looking in the past such to deny the reality of the present is all you are doing.
The problem is contained in the "believer vs. unbeliever" division: belief-based ignorance.

The past is the grounding of the present, the same authoritarian military dominance of Rome exists through today as well. It exists within American Government, Chinese Government, etc.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:02 pm You are still here however :). I asked for examples of where people take you as legitimate not where you went.
Hardly, despite having the most viewed thread on the first page.
Thread view does not necessitate being right or wrong and you do not have the most viewed thread on this forum. I have threads with 10,000 to 20,000 plus views. It does not mean people, agree or disagree with me. So what is this forum?

There is a reason for that.
I know you asked for examples, and I am not going to give you any specific examples
because it involves the individual who derived the real equations which resolutely describe
exactly how the physical universe operates. What I provide in the OP is a corollary of them.
The point I was making was: it was because CKIIT had it right that the barriers in this theorem
were overcome, and now Einstein's e = MC² is solved for, and I know who solved for it.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:02 pm Actually to ground everything in the circle is a distortion of the one according to your part.
Who said anything about grounding into a circle? lol
Pi is the relation between a radius and half circumference,
line and curve. This is what mainstream science is missing.

Pi as a relation between a radius and half a circumferance necessitates a full circumferance therefore a circle.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:02 pm atheism is an absence of belief given God cannot be proven.
Only if/when given the "belief" god is man-made.
Atheism doesn't state God is man made or not man made.


God can not be proven because it can not be defined.
God can be defined and undefined.


You can't look for something unless/until you know
something about what you are looking for.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:02 pm By definition of what God is. Pi is not the apex but rather a localization of one facet of being.
Oh dear.

Yes.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:02 pm All "just is" is an assumed premise. Pi is a calculation therefore is a premise.
Pi is a relationship that exists independent of calculation. The same is true of a space/time existence.

A relationship is a calculation.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Jul 20, 2020 9:02 pm This is a localization of one phenomenon out of many thus a distortion.
You try hard, I give you that.

Pi is a localization of one phenomenon out of many, thus a localization of one phenomenon from many.
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Re: 'Knowledge' and 'Belief' as Primordial Antitheses

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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:13 pm False, various grades of blue necessitates the one existing through the many.
There are various grades of being which necessitate various degrees of non suffering.
The many conditions that satisfy 'not not unity' as unity exist as many because of (thus through) the one, not the other way around.
The various degrees of non-suffering are scalable with knowledge: to know all not to believe. This involves knowing one is not
the body, not the mind, and if/when the space between these as non-being in relation to being is realized, this is the end of suffering.

However this requires consciousness - to experience the body and mind as that which one is ultimately not.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:13 pm The continuous nature of knowledge necessitates a continuu,.
It is the other way around: a continuum necessitates knowledge such to construct a transcendent nature.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:13 pm Two is one self referencing itself recursively.
lol no it is not. Two aspects may reference a whole, as is the case of space and time being aspects of one reciprocity.
One must begin/end with the same laws that govern the physical universe, as these laws all have metaphysical corollary.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:13 pm To endeavor not all to believe, when belief is an infinite regress according to you, necessitates an infinite regress in negative knowledge (ie knowing what knowledge is by what it is not).
No, not according to me - according to you. Belief is not an infinite regress - it theoretically (only) has the same characteristics as one, the problem is death is a reality such to draw the belief-based ignorance(s) to the surface as a function of time. This happens naturally one way or the other.

According to the equations, time must "speed up" relative to a displaced body as they approach death. This is not a psychological phenomena, this must actually occur relative to the body according to their constituency. Because we now know that alpha and omega effectively functions as the root(s) of discretion (itself) viz. "to be, or not to be" in life, we now know that death is the absence of the same discretion. Thus death is the inability to exercise discretion, and a being tends towards their natural tendencies without discretion.

This should prove true as time progresses, to each their own (life is a certain amount of "time").
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:13 pm "I" as a series of patterns is "I" as a series of localizations where each facet of the I is an approximation of the whole existing through an extension of the one.
Approximation implies deficiency - lack of precision.
Humanity has approximated pi for over 2000 years,
look at what that "approximation" has brought.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:13 pm If memory serves you claim it does.
It clearly serves not, as the motive is elsewhere rooted.

The past is not something that "occurs". It already happened, hence past.
The future is not something that "occurs". It is something projected.
The soilbed of the present is the past, the present: the soilbed of the "future".
The constituency of all "three" is contained in the ever-now, the present.

So no, the past does not "occur" through the present - the present contains what has already occurred.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:13 pm Man is the measure of all things, all aspects of measurement occur through human reasoning.
Man is not the measure of all things - this is a solipsistic sort of self-worship.
If all aspects of measurement occur through human reasoning,
the lack of human reasoning implies lack of precision in measurement.

The truth is in plain sight: human beings can not measure a circle.
If another more advanced civilization had a way to "measure"
the general intelligence of another intelligent species, one way
would be the correct value of pi, as this is a universal constant
given √5 is in both phi as (1+√5)/2 and (corrected) pi as √(8√5-8).
Phi is the only (sole) number in the universe wherein if/when squared
as an irrational, it produces itself back plus a rational and discrete 1.
This relates directly to the reciprocal nature of space and time.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:13 pm The root thus goes beyond Islam and Nazism.
Islam/Muhammad is a root of sexual degeneracy - the elevation of a pedophile as the greatest model for humanity.
Sexually degenerated pedophiles will thus naturally be drawn to Islam given the idol of Islam Muhammad
serves as a justification for engaging in such pedophilia. This is the nature of idols: to clear the conscience.
In reality, idols such as Muhammad are state-sanctioning of polygamy/pedophilia/rape/genocide etc.

People who deny this reality, including the "believers" in/of Islam
attempt to turn a blind eye to this and scapegoat these problems
onto any/all others, as they can not stand the truth because
they can not stand their guilt. This is why they must make others
guilty: for their skin color, for example. Nazis and racism are thus related.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:13 pm Asserting the ignorance of another is an accusation. All accusations are statements.
I didn't assert the ignorance of another, I asserted
the statement is ignorant, hence 'ignorant statement'.
That it came from you can be left as-is.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:13 pm The believer vs unbeliever dichotomy is the assertion you keep pushing.
If it didn't exist I wouldn't be concerned about it - the problem is it does and has for thousands of years.
I see hardly anyone else doing anything about it except looking for the next person to blame
and continue to protect and defend the religious abuse of women/children, as if integral.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:13 pm False we got much of our technology, post world war two, from prior nazi scientists. Warner van Braun, if memory serves, is an example.
Memory served not well before, and neither here, though general ignorance is the culprit.
Nazis can not be scientists - the essence of Nazism is anti-science.
The Germans were not Nazis, they were puppets of the (real) Nazis
who were controlling everything in the background, just as they are now,
they real book-worshiping "Jews" who have the world "believing"
the "Jews" are someone other than themselves who they hate.
In reality, the "believers" worship (as) the book-worshiping Jew.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:13 pm More ignoring the history of the archetype and hypocritically scapegoating everything on Nazism/Islam?
I spend more time on the present, actually:
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2020/07/uk-m ... f-rochdale

The hypocrite here is yourself - denying the present-day reality of the religious abuse of women.
This is how I know you don't actually have any regard for anyone besides yourself.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:13 pm I have no problem pointing fingers considering pointing fingers is inevitable, you have a problem with it however while hypocritically doing it.
Granted not all accusations are false, the problem is the condition 'the accuser is the accused'
such that the constituency of the accusation is owing to the accuser, rather than the accused.
This is a true/false condition: true accusations return "false" and false accusations return "true".

Then again, a person who believes that true/false is a "false dichotomy"
will not be able to understand this, despite space and time themselves
being discrete units implying discretion (including binary).
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:13 pm The now is built upon the past.
Very good, not to be taken as the past "occurs" through the present. It already happened, but is contained herein.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:13 pm All knowledge regresses to further knowledge thus it is impossible to not observe some degree of belief within any core assumptions one grounds their knowledge in.
Of course you must observe belief - that is what needs to be tried/tested/falsified such to become a corpus of knowledge.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:13 pm The past is the grounding of the present, the same authoritarian military dominance of Rome exists through today as well. It exists within American Government, Chinese Government, etc.
But Rome! But the U.S.! But China!
Leave the rapists alone!
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:13 pm Thread view does not necessitate being right or wrong and you do not have the most viewed thread on this forum. I have threads with 10,000 to 20,000 plus views. It does not mean people, agree or disagree with me. So what is this forum?
Neither does presence/absence of response(s) to.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:13 pm Pi as a relation between a radius and half a circumferance necessitates a full circumferance therefore a circle.
No it doesn't, a full circumference is 2π, not π.
Concerning the circle, r/c/2 = 2r/c thus
one can not have a circle unless r is doubled
implying a multiplicative process.

Space and time are multiplicative reciprocal aspects of motion.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:13 pm Atheism doesn't state God is man made or not man made.
It doesn't have to, it is implied.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:13 pm God can be defined and undefined.
Do 'define' God then.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:13 pm A relationship is a calculation.
Oh dear... no, it is not.
Do you "calculate" your relationship with others? If so... lunacy.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:13 pm Pi is a localization of one phenomenon out of many, thus a localization of one phenomenon from many.
Pi is a relationship. That is all.
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Re: 'Knowledge' and 'Belief' as Primordial Antitheses

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nothing wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 12:37 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:13 pm False, various grades of blue necessitates the one existing through the many.
There are various grades of being which necessitate various degrees of non suffering.
The many conditions that satisfy 'not not unity' as unity exist as many because of (thus through) the one, not the other way around.
The various degrees of non-suffering are scalable with knowledge: to know all not to believe. This involves knowing one is not
the body, not the mind, and if/when the space between these as non-being in relation to being is realized, this is the end of suffering.

To argue being exists beyond the body and mind is not a problem, yet existence occurs through the body and mind where the body and mind exist as extensions of the "one". The various grades of being are extensions thus facets of the one. The many occurs through the one where "many-ness" is that which veils the one.



However this requires consciousness - to experience the body and mind as that which one is ultimately not.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:13 pm The continuous nature of knowledge necessitates a continuu,.
It is the other way around: a continuum necessitates knowledge such to construct a transcendent nature.

False, all knowledge exists as one phenomenon progressing to the next under a continuum. This progression of one phenomenon to another necessitates knowledge as dynamic thus changing. It is this changing nature to knowledge where all knowledge is defined by its potential nature, thus is defined by a formlessness. Knowledge, and its potentialistic nature is defined by a point 0 where this point 0 is the act of changing from one state into another. Knowledge as continually changing, through a formlessness which grounds this change, necessitates knowledge as defined through an expansion and contraction of facts where each fact breaks down to another fact and reconverges to form a new fact. This expansion and contraction is the continuum.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:13 pm Two is one self referencing itself recursively.
lol no it is not. Two aspects may reference a whole, as is the case of space and time being aspects of one reciprocity.
One must begin/end with the same laws that govern the physical universe, as these laws all have metaphysical corollary.

1 and 1 is 2 thus two is the repetition of one. Time is space observed through space thus is the recursion of space. For example a series of revolutions of a particle in a second necessitates that each revolution, as a circumferance, is a given length. Each circumferance is a fraction of the series of circumferances. Time is a length of space observed relative to another length of space, it is fraction/fractal lengths and we say this intuitively under the saying "length of time".
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:13 pm To endeavor not all to believe, when belief is an infinite regress according to you, necessitates an infinite regress in negative knowledge (ie knowing what knowledge is by what it is not).
No, not according to me - according to you. Belief is not an infinite regress - it theoretically (only) has the same characteristics as one, the problem is death is a reality such to draw the belief-based ignorance(s) to the surface as a function of time. This happens naturally one way or the other.

Belief as antithetical to knowledge, where knowledge is a continuum, necessitates belief as existing through a continuum dually relative to knowledge. The passing on of beleif from one observer to the next overrides the limits of morality.

According to the equations, time must "speed up" relative to a displaced body as they approach death. This is not a psychological phenomena, this must actually occur relative to the body according to their constituency.
Time is relative, due to the multiplicity of phenomenon experienced prior to death time appears to speed up when in reality it doesn't. An example of this would be a simple line.
Cut in half it multiplies into two lines, each line is shorter than the original. Each line is a timeline of some experience. However if measured as individual entities each line is relatively the same as infinite. As the line is continually divided it becomes relatively shorter, yet each line is the exact same as the original line when measured on its own terms. As experiences increase so does the relative time of each experience as a fraction of the timeline. The line is only shorter when measured relative to its original state, yet when viewed individually each line is the same.



Because we now know that alpha and omega effectively functions as the root(s) of discretion (itself) viz. "to be, or not to be" in life, we now know that death is the absence of the same discretion. Thus death is the inability to exercise discretion, and a being tends towards their natural tendencies without discretion.

This should prove true as time progresses, to each their own (life is a certain amount of "time").

Death is the point of change of one phenomenon into another.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:13 pm "I" as a series of patterns is "I" as a series of localizations where each facet of the I is an approximation of the whole existing through an extension of the one.
Approximation implies deficiency - lack of precision.
Humanity has approximated pi for over 2000 years,
look at what that "approximation" has brought.

Approximation is the viewing of the one through multiple states where a gap occurs in some knowledge. With the increase in precision of one phenomenon comes a dual antithetical decrease in observing precision in another phenomenon. With increases in accuracy in one respect comes a decrease of it in another thus all knowing is an act of approximation. The whole can never be fully observed given is continually changing nature necessitates it as appearing much like an abyss given its grounding in a formlessness which results in change.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:13 pm If memory serves you claim it does.
It clearly serves not, as the motive is elsewhere rooted.

The past is not something that "occurs". It already happened, hence past.
The future is not something that "occurs". It is something projected.
The soilbed of the present is the past, the present: the soilbed of the "future".
The constituency of all "three" is contained in the ever-now, the present.

And all soil is observed through the "plant" of now thus is one thing expressed through multiple forms. The past exists through a new form under the present thus is continually reocurring.

So no, the past does not "occur" through the present - the present contains what has already occurred.

The past repeats itself into a newer variation through the "now".
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:13 pm Man is the measure of all things, all aspects of measurement occur through human reasoning.
Man is not the measure of all things - this is a solipsistic sort of self-worship.
If all aspects of measurement occur through human reasoning,
the lack of human reasoning implies lack of precision in measurement.

False, man is the ever present medial point between the extremes of being and non being. All measurements, including the measurement pertaining to this act of conversation itself, occur through the rational faculties of man. These rational faculties are the converging and diverging of phenomenon be it an empirical phenomenon such as particles or something more abstract such as an atomic fact. This conversation is proof.



The truth is in plain sight: human beings can not measure a circle.
If another more advanced civilization had a way to "measure"
the general intelligence of another intelligent species, one way
would be the correct value of pi, as this is a universal constant
given √5 is in both phi as (1+√5)/2 and (corrected) pi as √(8√5-8).
Phi is the only (sole) number in the universe wherein if/when squared
as an irrational, it produces itself back plus a rational and discrete 1.
This relates directly to the reciprocal nature of space and time.

All numbers are variations of 1 self referencing into a new form. The root of 1 is 1. 1, and all numbers by extension, are 1 cycling through itself. 1 is the grounding of cycles and occurs through 0=0 as evidenced by the number line where a 0d point self referentially negates itself into a line. The voiding of void is form. All begins with point 0 and this is observed through itseld self negation into 1 considering only 1 exists.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:13 pm The root thus goes beyond Islam and Nazism.
Islam/Muhammad is a root of sexual degeneracy - the elevation of a pedophile as the greatest model for humanity.
False, sexual degeneracy occured in the foundational roots of modern western culture in ancient Rome and Greece. Aristotle had what be considered degenerate relationships. These roots go beyond Islam and many not Muslim cultures practice this. Second measuring Pi does not provide a moral code for defining what is correct sexual behavior and which does not. You cannot derive a strict moral code from pi without requiring some knowledge which exists as beyond Pi. Then the question occurs which came first the knowledge of Pi being right or the moral knowledge which leads to pi.


Sexually degenerated pedophiles will thus naturally be drawn to Islam given the idol of Islam Muhammad
serves as a justification for engaging in such pedophilia. This is the nature of idols: to clear the conscience.
In reality, idols such as Muhammad are state-sanctioning of polygamy/pedophilia/rape/genocide etc.

You have no moral code which is fixed and defines such actions as right or wrong. Second you ignore all muslims which have normal families. You are ignoring the majority for the minority. It is like saying all Catholics are pedophiles because of a minority of priests.



People who deny this reality, including the "believers" in/of Islam
attempt to turn a blind eye to this and scapegoat these problems
onto any/all others, as they can not stand the truth because
they can not stand their guilt. This is why they must make others
guilty: for their skin color, for example. Nazis and racism are thus related.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:13 pm Asserting the ignorance of another is an accusation. All accusations are statements. Teenage weddings where common in cultures of old and not all these marriages where consummated instantly.
I didn't assert the ignorance of another, I asserted
the statement is ignorant, hence 'ignorant statement'.
That it came from you can be left as-is.

The statement is an extension of the observer. No statement is seperate from he or she which makes it.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:13 pm The believer vs unbeliever dichotomy is the assertion you keep pushing.
If it didn't exist I wouldn't be concerned about it - the problem is it does and has for thousands of years.
I see hardly anyone else doing anything about it except looking for the next person to blame
and continue to protect and defend the religious abuse of women/children, as if integral.
And you hypocritically are pointing fingers as muslims and believers while claiming others are pointing fingers. This point is ignorant.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:13 pm False we got much of our technology, post world war two, from prior nazi scientists. Warner van Braun, if memory serves, is an example.
Memory served not well before, and neither here, though general ignorance is the culprit.
Nazis can not be scientists - the essence of Nazism is anti-science.
The Germans were not Nazis, they were puppets of the (real) Nazis
who were controlling everything in the background, just as they are now,
they real book-worshiping "Jews" who have the world "believing"
the "Jews" are someone other than themselves who they hate.
In reality, the "believers" worship (as) the book-worshiping Jew.

The German progress in technology was guided by nazism. Nazism is technological progress at the expense of the individual.


Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:13 pm More ignoring the history of the archetype and hypocritically scapegoating everything on Nazism/Islam?
I spend more time on the present, actually:
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2020/07/uk-m ... f-rochdale

And rape does not occur in non Muslim countries. What about the sexual assault epidemic in Hollywood and ths military? Ignoring the whole picture? Yes.

The hypocrite here is yourself - denying the present-day reality of the religious abuse of women.
This is how I know you don't actually have any regard for anyone besides yourself.
I prefer to look at the whole picture instead of singling out a group of people.
Gang rape is not limited to any one belief set. Ignoring the present day reality of abuse of women in general is how I know you don't actually have any regard for anyone besides yourself and you anti religious bigotry.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:13 pm I have no problem pointing fingers considering pointing fingers is inevitable, you have a problem with it however while hypocritically doing it.
Granted not all accusations are false, the problem is the condition 'the accuser is the accused'
such that the constituency of the accusation is owing to the accuser, rather than the accused.
This is a true/false condition: true accusations return "false" and false accusations return "true".

And sometimes true accusations return as true and false ones as false.

Then again, a person who believes that true/false is a "false dichotomy"
will not be able to understand this, despite space and time themselves
being discrete units implying discretion (including binary).

Truth exists in grades. A unicorn is real as an imaginary entity, false as an empirical one, thus the unicorn is both true and false. Truth exists in grades with this gradation occuring through the distance from a center point. As to the nature of time this is observed elsewhere as being recursive space or one space existing through another.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:13 pm The now is built upon the past.
Very good, not to be taken as the past "occurs" through the present. It already happened, but is contained herein.

False, the archetypes which existed in the past exist under new forms through the present. The present is the past recycling.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:13 pm All knowledge regresses to further knowledge thus it is impossible to not observe some degree of belief within any core assumptions one grounds their knowledge in.
Of course you must observe belief - that is what needs to be tried/tested/falsified such to become a corpus of knowledge.

If testing of belief is necessary for knowledge then belief is the necessary soil for knowledge and it recycles itself under a new form through the plant of knowledge. You are necessitating belief as necessary in these regards thus justifying my point further.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:13 pm The past is the grounding of the present, the same authoritarian military dominance of Rome exists through today as well. It exists within American Government, Chinese Government, etc.
But Rome! But the U.S.! But China!
Leave the rapists alone!

All where or are guilty of sexual degeneracy at one point or another. Pointing fingers at Islam and Nazism alone is hypocritical and is proof you could care less about the victims but rather pushing your own views. The accuser is accused.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:13 pm Thread view does not necessitate being right or wrong and you do not have the most viewed thread on this forum. I have threads with 10,000 to 20,000 plus views. It does not mean people, agree or disagree with me. So what is this forum?
Neither does presence/absence of response(s) to.

Then the number of views your thread has is an irrelevant moot point. And you still ignore my question of which forum you seem to be accepted in.


Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:13 pm Pi as a relation between a radius and half a circumferance necessitates a full circumferance therefore a circle.
No it doesn't, a full circumference is 2π, not π.
Concerning the circle, r/c/2 = 2r/c thus
one can not have a circle unless r is doubled
implying a multiplicative process.

The half of the circumferance only exists in relationship to a whole. The half is observed relative to the whole.

Space and time are multiplicative reciprocal aspects of motion.

Time is space given that time is the movement of one phenomenon from one position to another. The number of revolutions of a particle in one second is a length of space given x number of circumferances occur during the course of a second.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:13 pm Atheism doesn't state God is man made or not man made.
It doesn't have to, it is implied.

It is not even implied. The concept of God, according to atheism, could equally be the entropy of awareness.


Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:13 pm God can be defined and undefined.
Do 'define' God then.

One and many
Defined and undefined.
Alpha and Omega.
Infinite and existing through the finite.
Etc.


Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:13 pm A relationship is a calculation.
Oh dear... no, it is not.
Do you "calculate" your relationship with others? If so... lunacy.

People measure their responses to other people's actions in an effort to please or avoid offending them.

The relationship between one phenomenon and another is the beginning point of all calculations.
Calculations are the relationship between parts.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: Wed Jul 22, 2020 5:13 pm Pi is a localization of one phenomenon out of many, thus a localization of one phenomenon from many.
Pi is a relationship. That is all.

It is the localization of one relationship out of many.
You still ignore my question about what forum you are accepted in. Regardless, try "arktos forum" I am a member and you can test your theory there. Personally I think your philosophy is littered with contradictions.
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Re: 'Knowledge' and 'Belief' as Primordial Antitheses

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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:04 am To argue being exists beyond the body and mind is not a problem, yet existence occurs through the body and mind where the body and mind exist as extensions of the "one". The various grades of being are extensions thus facets of the one. The many occurs through the one where "many-ness" is that which veils the one.
The existence occurs independent of body and mind. Human beings are not integral to the existence itself (solipsism).
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:04 am False, all knowledge exists as one phenomenon progressing to the next under a continuum.
Knowledge begins/ends with one's own self - there is nothing else to know.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:04 am 1 and 1 is 2 thus two is the repetition of one.
There is only one 1. You don't add one to itself if only one.
You can multiply 1 by 1 which is the same as subject 1 to itself,
the same operation √Φ undergoes to become Φ and again
to become Φ + 1 wherein the '1' produced captures all
of the physical cosmos. However, that which is, is not all:
that which is not is a valid proposition, and the underlying reality.

That which is and that which is not are equivalent to alpha/omega, as
all binaries implicitly/explicitly concern the same: is/not.
In the Hindu tradition, that which is not is denoted as Shiva:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgLaCDeCqLk
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:04 am Belief as antithetical to knowledge, where knowledge is a continuum, necessitates belief as existing through a continuum dually relative to knowledge. The passing on of beleif from one observer to the next overrides the limits of morality.
Belief is a continuum - knowledge is the cessation of. It is necessary to try/test/falsify all belief(s) to graduate to knowledge.
This implies a conscious process: to try, to test, to falsify. This is the fundamental basis of science as a faculty of inquiry.
"Belief" without trial/testing/falsifying is not a conscious process, hence "believer vs. unbeliever" captures
the essence(s) of the ignorance of humanity - to refuse to evolve meanwhile spilling blood over books and idols.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:04 am Time is relative, due to the multiplicity of phenomenon experienced prior to death time appears to speed up when in reality it doesn't.
Time is not relative, the experience in/as/over time is relative.
Time itself is absolute - each person is subject to the same rate of time.
As one's "time" runs out, time will speed up according to their own (unconscious) tendencies absent discretion.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:04 am Death is the point of change of one phenomenon into another.
Death is the loss of discretion/discernment. What alpha/omega is to discretion, the absence of is to death.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:04 am Approximation is the viewing of the one through multiple states where a gap occurs in some knowledge.
Humanity is "approximating" pi. Implies: gap in knowledge.
The knowledge gap is the nature of the relation between
space and time. Correction of pi clarifies e = MC² thus
the same is the measure of knowledge/ignorance of
this human species. More advanced civilizations would know
the integral nature of the golden ratio is implied by (correct) pi
thus they would immediately see this humanity is unintelligent.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:04 am And all soil is observed through the "plant" of now thus is one thing expressed through multiple forms. The past exists through a new form under the present thus is continually reocurring.
The past already occurred, it is contained in the present but does not "occur" through it - it has already occurred.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:04 am The past repeats itself into a newer variation through the "now".
It can, but need not given consideration of the presence/absence of consciousness.
In general, it does lately because human beings are overwhelmingly unconscious.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:04 am False, man is the ever present medial point between the extremes of being and non being.
This is nonsense solipsism - man worshiping man (same pathology as religious idolatry).
Man is not a measure of anything - man is a product of evolution.

Logic and rationale are limited - man ought not to rely on these alone
otherwise one will be confined to the same. The physical universe
is only one half rational/logical, the other half is not.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:04 am All numbers are variations of 1 self referencing into a new form. The root of 1 is 1. 1, and all numbers by extension, are 1 cycling through itself.
In reality only numbers 1-4 exist as discrete quantitative/qualitative measures.
In reality 0 does not exist and/or has no meaning / undefined.
The root of 1 is a binary: +1, -1, the polarity reflecting alpha/omega.

+1 as ALL unity
-1 as NOT unity

Whereas +1 is static, -1 is dynamic and may fall into limitless recursion (ceased by death).
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:04 am False, sexual degeneracy occured in the foundational roots of modern western culture in ancient Rome and Greece.
Blame the Romans and the Greeks!
Protect the pedophile men of today!
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:04 am You have no moral code which is fixed and defines such actions as right or wrong. Second you ignore all muslims which have normal families. You are ignoring the majority for the minority. It is like saying all Catholics are pedophiles because of a minority of priests.
I know morality is socially constructed, thus limited to social construct.
This problem is not about Muslims, it is about belief-based ignorance.
I don't need to accuse Muslims of anything: they do all of the work.
They call themselves "believers". They admit theirs is the "religion of Adam"
who got kicked out of Eden for failing to account for his own actions
such to blame the woman and god for the same, thus the religion of Adam
is 'blame in both hands' and this is what we may try/test for concerning
the accusations made by "believers" against "unbelievers" given
it takes a "believer" to "believe" someone else is to blame.

The reality is: none of the integral claims made by the House of Islam are actually true.
This is causing suffering for literally billions of people, and the root problem
is contained in the division "believer vs. unbeliever" which CKIIT solves for.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:04 am The statement is an extension of the observer. No statement is seperate from he or she which makes it.
The observer exists independent of the statement.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:04 am And you hypocritically are pointing fingers as muslims and believers while claiming others are pointing fingers. This point is ignorant.
The first victim of Islam is the "believing" Muslim - the problem is top-down as due to the Palestinian authority / Muslim Brotherhood having lied to the Muslims for over 1000 years about the real history of Islam, they can not afford to have the truth become mainstream such to have the Muslims realize it is their own leaders who are the real book-worshiping "Jews" who divide and destroy the planet.

The "believing" Muslim can not see the book-worshiping "Jew" that is inside of themselves
because they can not account for their own actions / state of being, the same is the "religion of Adam".
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:04 am And rape does not occur in non Muslim countries. What about the sexual assault epidemic in Hollywood and ths military? Ignoring the whole picture? Yes.
Hollywood is owned/operated by the House of Islam, as is most mainstream media. Epstein is an example of a front/goyim. HRC is another.
The House of Islam will always establish fronts/scapegoats such that if something collapses, there is someone else to pin it on.
One can not join the Deep State unless they take the Islamic shahada such to be given access to the underground networks
which frequent in human trafficking esp. young children. The only catch is: you have to perform the needs of the Deep State
as needed. If not, they go after your family/friends etc. This is how the "real" world operates - a system of blackmail
should one choose to take the shahada and benefit from the services offered by the House of Islam. All of it goes
to warfare against non-Muslim nations, and this is precisely what is occurring on the planet.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:04 am I prefer to look at the whole picture instead of singling out a group of people.
"Believer vs. Unbeliever" is the whole picture.
All accessory divisions stem from this division.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:04 am Gang rape is not limited to any one belief set.
It is if/when all such rapes begin with Qur'anic passages being recited before it occurs.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:04 am Ignoring the present day reality of abuse of women in general is how I know you don't actually have any regard for anyone besides yourself and you anti religious bigotry.
Meanwhile just the opposite is true - it is my regard for the abuse of women whence CKIIT and the solving for unity.
The reason nobody has unified space and time is because they have not asked the right question yet.
I asked that question, which is ' from whence human suffering? ' such that the solution was emergent.

Human suffering is a product of belief-based ignorance, and Islam is saturated in the same.

Judaism infected the general populace with the idea
"fear of god is the beginning of wisdom"
whereas in reality
"fear of god is the beginning of madness"
as it underlies Judaism/Christianity/Islam.

Understanding fear is the beginning of wisdom, including irrational fears of man-made gods.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:04 am And sometimes true accusations return as true and false ones as false....
...Truth exists in grades.
Definite propositions have definite discrete conditions 'true' and 'false'.
The integrity of the proposition has bearing on the discretionary truth value.
Lack of ability to discern between what is and is not true is essentially the same as being dead,
the same being a stagnant state of "belief".
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:04 am False, the archetypes which existed in the past exist under new forms through the present. The present is the past recycling.
There is only one archetype related to idol worship - worshiping ideal men.
Jesus and Muhammad are ideal men and implies Christianity and Islam are both idol worship, as they are
and hundreds of millions of people are dead due to such idol worship, yet neither of the two can see
the error of their own ways such to pathologically "believe" they have the right religion/idol.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:04 am If testing of belief is necessary for knowledge then belief is the necessary soil for knowledge and it recycles itself under a new form through the plant of knowledge. You are necessitating belief as necessary in these regards thus justifying my point further.
You don't have a point - I always maintained belief is necessary, however necessary to be falsified.
Knowledge entails knowing belief is not knowledge ie. belief comes with degrees of uncertainty.
It takes a "believer" to "believe" themselves to be something they are not, thus all knowledge/belief
begins/ends locally with the being. It is not about the knowledge/belief dichotomy, it is about the consciousness.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:04 am All where or are guilty of sexual degeneracy at one point or another. Pointing fingers at Islam and Nazism alone is hypocritical and is proof you could care less about the victims but rather pushing your own views. The accuser is accused.
You seem to be in a regress of projecting your own internal state onto me - it gets worse the more I point out what that nature is.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:04 am Then the number of views your thread has is an irrelevant moot point. And you still ignore my question of which forum you seem to be accepted in.
Yes I still ignore your question, as you are asking it not with genuine interest but rather rooted in enmity.
I acknowledge you don't have any interest whatsoever in addressing the problem of human suffering as I do,
thus there is no reason to tell you. Again: I am not a thing to be accepted, what matters is the integrity
of the finding itself, not the person. This is why I specifically indicated to them: do not assign the solving of unity
to a particular person, as the work I am doing will rely on nobody realizing it was CKIIT that made the solution possible
which happens to be true, given the postulated alpha/omega are real constituents of the physical universe.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:04 am The half of the circumferance only exists in relationship to a whole. The half is observed relative to the whole.
2π makes a whole whereas π is half one whole.
In reality it should be tau: τ = 2π but mainstream science does everything backwards.

The nature of the relation makes it irrelevant: r/c/2 implies 2r/c wherein 2r = d (diameter) thus d/c is actually 2π = τ, not π.
This is one of the many corollary oversights embedded in mainstream maths due to the inability to comprehend the circle
esp. as it relates to the coupling of rational and irrational numbers (integral to the mechanics of the physical universe).
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:04 am Time is space given that time is the movement of one phenomenon from one position to another. The number of revolutions of a particle in one second is a length of space given x number of circumferances occur during the course of a second.
Time and space are aspects of motion, nothing more/less, expressed as a ratio s/t (velocity) and/or t/s (energy).
In this way all s/t motion(s) have a corresponding t/s energy constituency. For every 1 unit of motion, there is
an energy constituency of 16 and/or 4² (alpha/omega/beg/end) wherein of 16 degrees of freedom, 1 is fixed at unity
thus all is immutably in relation to.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:04 am It is not even implied. The concept of God, according to atheism, could equally be the entropy of awareness.
Lol find me an atheist whose concept of a god they don't believe in is 'entropy of awareness'.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:04 am One and many
Defined and undefined.
Alpha and Omega.
Infinite and existing through the finite.
Etc.
The same defines your own boundaries/limitations.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:04 am People measure their responses to other people's actions in an effort to please or avoid offending them.
Not me, as I see this as a terrible way of existence.
Each should consciously take responsibility for their internal state of being as
generation snowflake has degenerated the human civilization for fear of "offending"
which is, again, rooted in the Islamophobic culture of Islam wherein "believers" can not stand
the truth (the falsity) of Islam, thus they accuse any/all of whoever speaks the truth
as suffering from the very condition the "believer" is suffering in themselves: "Islamophobia".

Islam: the world is your scapegoat.

I know you and others hate such observations because of how true they are -
whereas worshipers of lies hate truth (thus silence/suppress it) love of truth
fulfills and satiates any/all human need/longing for a true love: wisdom.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:04 am It is the localization of one relationship out of many.
Pi is both real (local) and imaginary (non-local) - the same relationship applies to both.
Pi is actually what bridges the physical/metaphysical and/or that which is and that which is not.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:04 am You still ignore my question about what forum you are accepted in. Regardless, try "arktos forum" I am a member and you can test your theory there. Personally I think your philosophy is littered with contradictions.
I am already testing the theory on other forums - I have people using it and giving me feedback.
I am doing this to constantly refine it for when it finally goes live, as I am most certainly
going to make all attempt to collapse the heavens and steer humanity from religion to responsibility.

You may do well to consider the contradictions are local to you
merely brought to the surface by CKIIT. It is after all designed
to draw roots to the surface.
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Re: 'Knowledge' and 'Belief' as Primordial Antitheses

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nothing wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:14 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:04 am To argue being exists beyond the body and mind is not a problem, yet existence occurs through the body and mind where the body and mind exist as extensions of the "one". The various grades of being are extensions thus facets of the one. The many occurs through the one where "many-ness" is that which veils the one.
The existence occurs independent of body and mind. Human beings are not integral to the existence itself (solipsism).

Existence is not limited to body and mind. To make the observation that existence occurs independent of body and mind is to observe this statement through the body and mind thus a contradiction occurs.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:04 am False, all knowledge exists as one phenomenon progressing to the next under a continuum.
Knowledge begins/ends with one's own self - there is nothing else to know.

False, knowledge as existing beyond the body and mind necessitates it as existing beyond the self unless the self is redefined to not include the body and mind (but this leads to the contradictions mentioned above.).

To say knowledge begins and ends with one own self is a contradiction as this knowledge, as being stated by another person beyond me, is beyond the self.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:04 am 1 and 1 is 2 thus two is the repetition of one.
There is only one 1. You don't add one to itself if only one.
You can multiply 1 by 1 which is the same as subject 1 to itself,
the same operation √Φ undergoes to become Φ and again
to become Φ + 1 wherein the '1' produced captures all
of the physical cosmos. However, that which is, is not all:
that which is not is a valid proposition, and the underlying reality.

There is one and many. As to there being only one "1" this is false given 1 can equivocate to a variety of phenomenon thus leading to multiple 1s.

That which is and that which is not are equivalent to alpha/omega, as
all binaries implicitly/explicitly concern the same: is/not.
In the Hindu tradition, that which is not is denoted as Shiva:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgLaCDeCqLk

This is hegelian thesis and antithesis. A third synthetic term results due to this dualism.

For example:

The lemon is yellow.
The lemon is not yellow.
Therefore the lemon is shades of yellow.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:04 am Belief as antithetical to knowledge, where knowledge is a continuum, necessitates belief as existing through a continuum dually relative to knowledge. The passing on of beleif from one observer to the next overrides the limits of morality.
Belief is a continuum - knowledge is the cessation of. It is necessary to try/test/falsify all belief(s) to graduate to knowledge.
If belief is a continuum and it is necessary to try/test/falsify all beleifs to "graduate" to knowledge then an contradiction occurs as this testing necessary for knowledge is a continuum therefore knowledge exists through a continuum.


This implies a conscious process: to try, to test, to falsify. This is the fundamental basis of science as a faculty of inquiry.
"Belief" without trial/testing/falsifying is not a conscious process, hence "believer vs. unbeliever" captures
the essence(s) of the ignorance of humanity - to refuse to evolve meanwhile spilling blood over books and idols.

Wars occurs due to property acquisition and land, bloodshed is not limited to religious belief. The desire to own more leads to bloodshed and war,
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:04 am Time is relative, due to the multiplicity of phenomenon experienced prior to death time appears to speed up when in reality it doesn't.
Time is not relative, the experience in/as/over time is relative.
Time itself is absolute - each person is subject to the same rate of time.
As one's "time" runs out, time will speed up according to their own (unconscious) tendencies absent discretion.

Time is a mode of change, in these respects it is not relative. However how this change is observed is relative. Time as the relationship between events, as the inversion of one event to another, is measured according to the rate of change of one event relative to the rate of change of another. For example the revolutions of a particle in a given second observes a series of ratios existing within a given length of space. The particle revolves x amount of times within a given length of space as a series of circumferances. Time is thus a length composed of multiple lengths and therefore is a ratio. This ratio, while constant, is relative to the phenomenon being observed. So while a particles revolutions may be the foundations for time, so can the movement of water drops or falling grains of sand within an hour clock. Time is the length of a phenomenon stretch out across space given the unfurled circumferances of a particle, the length a water drop travels or the length of sand within an sand clock are all lengths,
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:04 am Death is the point of change of one phenomenon into another.
Death is the loss of discretion/discernment. What alpha/omega is to discretion, the absence of is to death.

One point of discernment changes into another point of discernment. The end of one thing is the beginning of another.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:04 am Approximation is the viewing of the one through multiple states where a gap occurs in some knowledge.
Humanity is "approximating" pi. Implies: gap in knowledge.
The knowledge gap is the nature of the relation between
space and time. Correction of pi clarifies e = MC² thus
the same is the measure of knowledge/ignorance of
this human species. More advanced civilizations would know
the integral nature of the golden ratio is implied by (correct) pi
thus they would immediately see this humanity is unintelligent.

The gap in knowledge is inevitable given one is always approximated through many. We cannot see the totality of existence, we can only observe it through parts with the parts being a multitude of phenomenon dynamically change through the other.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:04 am And all soil is observed through the "plant" of now thus is one thing expressed through multiple forms. The past exists through a new form under the present thus is continually reocurring.
The past already occurred, it is contained in the present but does not "occur" through it - it has already occurred.

It repeats itself in a newer variation thus is simultaneously occuring. Dually all memories are fractals of past events existing through the now. In remembering something the past is brought into the present.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:04 am The past repeats itself into a newer variation through the "now".
It can, but need not given consideration of the presence/absence of consciousness.
In general, it does lately because human beings are overwhelmingly unconscious.

The cyclical nature of time, where one event repeats itself into a newer and newer form necessitates all phenomenon of the past cycling into the future.


Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:04 am False, man is the ever present medial point between the extremes of being and non being.
This is nonsense solipsism - man worshiping man (same pathology as religious idolatry).
Man is not a measure of anything - man is a product of evolution.

False, evolution is a principle and these principles are a product of consciousness. The universe cannot make principles unless it is aware of itself. Principles are dictated by man.

Logic and rationale are limited - man ought not to rely on these alone
otherwise one will be confined to the same. The physical universe
is only one half rational/logical, the other half is not.

Then one is left with assuming experiences for what they are.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:04 am All numbers are variations of 1 self referencing into a new form. The root of 1 is 1. 1, and all numbers by extension, are 1 cycling through itself.
In reality only numbers 1-4 exist as discrete quantitative/qualitative measures.
In reality 0 does not exist and/or has no meaning / undefined.
The root of 1 is a binary: +1, -1, the polarity reflecting alpha/omega.

+1 as ALL unity
-1 as NOT unity

Whereas +1 is static, -1 is dynamic and may fall into limitless recursion (ceased by death).

0 is the foundation point of measurement given a line between two points. It in negating itself, considering there is no nothing, results in 1. 0 is void and void is the means of change as change. It is an observation of the dynamic change of 1 into further numbers.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:04 am False, sexual degeneracy occured in the foundational roots of modern western culture in ancient Rome and Greece.
Blame the Romans and the Greeks!
Protect the pedophile men of today!

Blame the Muslisms!
Protect the pedophile men of today!

Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:04 am You have no moral code which is fixed and defines such actions as right or wrong. Second you ignore all muslims which have normal families. You are ignoring the majority for the minority. It is like saying all Catholics are pedophiles because of a minority of priests.
I know morality is socially constructed, thus limited to social construct.
If morality is socially constructed and man is a process of evolution, and not a sole determiner of truth, then morality is subject to evolution itself and you have no foot to stand on.

This problem is not about Muslims, it is about belief-based ignorance.
I don't need to accuse Muslims of anything: they do all of the work.
They call themselves "believers". They admit theirs is the "religion of Adam"
who got kicked out of Eden for failing to account for his own actions
such to blame the woman and god for the same, thus the religion of Adam
is 'blame in both hands' and this is what we may try/test for concerning
the accusations made by "believers" against "unbelievers" given
it takes a "believer" to "believe" someone else is to blame.

The reality is: none of the integral claims made by the House of Islam are actually true.
This is causing suffering for literally billions of people, and the root problem
is contained in the division "believer vs. unbeliever" which CKIIT solves for.
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:04 am The statement is an extension of the observer. No statement is seperate from he or she which makes it.
The observer exists independent of the statement.

False, the statement exists because of the observer.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:04 am And you hypocritically are pointing fingers as muslims and believers while claiming others are pointing fingers. This point is ignorant.
The first victim of Islam is the "believing" Muslim - the problem is top-down as due to the Palestinian authority / Muslim Brotherhood having lied to the Muslims for over 1000 years about the real history of Islam, they can not afford to have the truth become mainstream such to have the Muslims realize it is their own leaders who are the real book-worshiping "Jews" who divide and destroy the planet.

The "believing" Muslim can not see the book-worshiping "Jew" that is inside of themselves
because they can not account for their own actions / state of being, the same is the "religion of Adam".

still pointing fingers.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:04 am And rape does not occur in non Muslim countries. What about the sexual assault epidemic in Hollywood and ths military? Ignoring the whole picture? Yes.
Hollywood is owned/operated by the House of Islam, as is most mainstream media. Epstein is an example of a front/goyim. HRC is another.
The House of Islam will always establish fronts/scapegoats such that if something collapses, there is someone else to pin it on.
One can not join the Deep State unless they take the Islamic shahada such to be given access to the underground networks
which frequent in human trafficking esp. young children. The only catch is: you have to perform the needs of the Deep State
as needed. If not, they go after your family/friends etc. This is how the "real" world operates - a system of blackmail
should one choose to take the shahada and benefit from the services offered by the House of Islam. All of it goes
to warfare against non-Muslim nations, and this is precisely what is occurring on the planet.

Prove it is own by Islam, you are just making assertions and blaming muslims again.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:04 am I prefer to look at the whole picture instead of singling out a group of people.
"Believer vs. Unbeliever" is the whole picture.
All accessory divisions stem from this division.

False, it is the localization of one phenomenon out of many.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:04 am Gang rape is not limited to any one belief set.
It is if/when all such rapes begin with Qur'anic passages being recited before it occurs.

Not all rapes are premised upon quranic verses being recited beforehand...I am not bothering with reading the rest...the level of pointing fingers and projection is absurd.


Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:04 am Ignoring the present day reality of abuse of women in general is how I know you don't actually have any regard for anyone besides yourself and you anti religious bigotry.
Meanwhile just the opposite is true - it is my regard for the abuse of women whence CKIIT and the solving for unity.
The reason nobody has unified space and time is because they have not asked the right question yet.
I asked that question, which is ' from whence human suffering? ' such that the solution was emergent.

Human suffering is a product of belief-based ignorance, and Islam is saturated in the same.

Judaism infected the general populace with the idea
"fear of god is the beginning of wisdom"
whereas in reality
"fear of god is the beginning of madness"
as it underlies Judaism/Christianity/Islam.

Understanding fear is the beginning of wisdom, including irrational fears of man-made gods.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:04 am And sometimes true accusations return as true and false ones as false....
...Truth exists in grades.
Definite propositions have definite discrete conditions 'true' and 'false'.
The integrity of the proposition has bearing on the discretionary truth value.
Lack of ability to discern between what is and is not true is essentially the same as being dead,
the same being a stagnant state of "belief".
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:04 am False, the archetypes which existed in the past exist under new forms through the present. The present is the past recycling.
There is only one archetype related to idol worship - worshiping ideal men.
Jesus and Muhammad are ideal men and implies Christianity and Islam are both idol worship, as they are
and hundreds of millions of people are dead due to such idol worship, yet neither of the two can see
the error of their own ways such to pathologically "believe" they have the right religion/idol.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:04 am If testing of belief is necessary for knowledge then belief is the necessary soil for knowledge and it recycles itself under a new form through the plant of knowledge. You are necessitating belief as necessary in these regards thus justifying my point further.
You don't have a point - I always maintained belief is necessary, however necessary to be falsified.
Knowledge entails knowing belief is not knowledge ie. belief comes with degrees of uncertainty.
It takes a "believer" to "believe" themselves to be something they are not, thus all knowledge/belief
begins/ends locally with the being. It is not about the knowledge/belief dichotomy, it is about the consciousness.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:04 am All where or are guilty of sexual degeneracy at one point or another. Pointing fingers at Islam and Nazism alone is hypocritical and is proof you could care less about the victims but rather pushing your own views. The accuser is accused.
You seem to be in a regress of projecting your own internal state onto me - it gets worse the more I point out what that nature is.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:04 am Then the number of views your thread has is an irrelevant moot point. And you still ignore my question of which forum you seem to be accepted in.
Yes I still ignore your question, as you are asking it not with genuine interest but rather rooted in enmity.
I acknowledge you don't have any interest whatsoever in addressing the problem of human suffering as I do,
thus there is no reason to tell you. Again: I am not a thing to be accepted, what matters is the integrity
of the finding itself, not the person. This is why I specifically indicated to them: do not assign the solving of unity
to a particular person, as the work I am doing will rely on nobody realizing it was CKIIT that made the solution possible
which happens to be true, given the postulated alpha/omega are real constituents of the physical universe.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:04 am The half of the circumferance only exists in relationship to a whole. The half is observed relative to the whole.
2π makes a whole whereas π is half one whole.
In reality it should be tau: τ = 2π but mainstream science does everything backwards.

The nature of the relation makes it irrelevant: r/c/2 implies 2r/c wherein 2r = d (diameter) thus d/c is actually 2π = τ, not π.
This is one of the many corollary oversights embedded in mainstream maths due to the inability to comprehend the circle
esp. as it relates to the coupling of rational and irrational numbers (integral to the mechanics of the physical universe).
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:04 am Time is space given that time is the movement of one phenomenon from one position to another. The number of revolutions of a particle in one second is a length of space given x number of circumferances occur during the course of a second.
Time and space are aspects of motion, nothing more/less, expressed as a ratio s/t (velocity) and/or t/s (energy).
In this way all s/t motion(s) have a corresponding t/s energy constituency. For every 1 unit of motion, there is
an energy constituency of 16 and/or 4² (alpha/omega/beg/end) wherein of 16 degrees of freedom, 1 is fixed at unity
thus all is immutably in relation to.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:04 am It is not even implied. The concept of God, according to atheism, could equally be the entropy of awareness.
Lol find me an atheist whose concept of a god they don't believe in is 'entropy of awareness'.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:04 am One and many
Defined and undefined.
Alpha and Omega.
Infinite and existing through the finite.
Etc.
The same defines your own boundaries/limitations.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:04 am People measure their responses to other people's actions in an effort to please or avoid offending them.
Not me, as I see this as a terrible way of existence.
Each should consciously take responsibility for their internal state of being as
generation snowflake has degenerated the human civilization for fear of "offending"
which is, again, rooted in the Islamophobic culture of Islam wherein "believers" can not stand
the truth (the falsity) of Islam, thus they accuse any/all of whoever speaks the truth
as suffering from the very condition the "believer" is suffering in themselves: "Islamophobia".

Islam: the world is your scapegoat.

I know you and others hate such observations because of how true they are -
whereas worshipers of lies hate truth (thus silence/suppress it) love of truth
fulfills and satiates any/all human need/longing for a true love: wisdom.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:04 am It is the localization of one relationship out of many.
Pi is both real (local) and imaginary (non-local) - the same relationship applies to both.
Pi is actually what bridges the physical/metaphysical and/or that which is and that which is not.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Fri Jul 24, 2020 2:04 am You still ignore my question about what forum you are accepted in. Regardless, try "arktos forum" I am a member and you can test your theory there. Personally I think your philosophy is littered with contradictions.
I am already testing the theory on other forums - I have people using it and giving me feedback.
I am doing this to constantly refine it for when it finally goes live, as I am most certainly
going to make all attempt to collapse the heavens and steer humanity from religion to responsibility.

You may do well to consider the contradictions are local to you
merely brought to the surface by CKIIT. It is after all designed
to draw roots to the surface.
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Re: 'Knowledge' and 'Belief' as Primordial Antitheses

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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Jul 25, 2020 5:03 pm Existence is not limited to body and mind. To make the observation that existence occurs independent of body and mind is to observe this statement through the body and mind thus a contradiction occurs.
You are not the center of the universe - the fallacy is the reification of existence by way of body/mind.
This immediately implies one is identified with/as the body/mind, which is a form of ignorance.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Jul 25, 2020 5:03 pm False, knowledge as existing beyond the body and mind necessitates it as existing beyond the self unless the self is redefined to not include the body and mind (but this leads to the contradictions mentioned above.).
Knowledge concerns one's own self thus can not be beyond self.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Jul 25, 2020 5:03 pm To say knowledge begins and ends with one own self is a contradiction as this knowledge, as being stated by another person beyond me, is beyond the self.
The only way past this is to learn to see others as a part of yourself.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Jul 25, 2020 5:03 pm There is one and many. As to there being only one "1" this is false given 1 can equivocate to a variety of phenomenon thus leading to multiple 1s.
"Multiple 1s" is a contradiction. There may be an infinite number of expressions of the same 1.
There is only one expression which satisfies any/all such possibilities in/of this physical universe,
and this expression is 1 = Φ(π/4)² wherein Φ and π are universal constants.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Jul 25, 2020 5:03 pm This is hegelian thesis and antithesis. A third synthetic term results due to this dualism.

For example:

The lemon is yellow.
The lemon is not yellow.
Therefore the lemon is shades of yellow.
Lol "a third synthetic term".

Space and time are themselves discrete units.
Discrete units implies discretion.
Definition relies on the integrity of the proposition/postulate, thus is limited to/by.
Discretion involves use of the conscience viz. consciousness.

What life is to presence of discretion, death is to absence of the same.

Law of Relative Inference (LORI)
Given the nature of any relation, it is not possible to infer an unknown by way of another unknown.
If one is known, the other may be inferred (by way of inference) if the nature of the relation is known.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Jul 25, 2020 5:03 pm If belief is a continuum and it is necessary to try/test/falsify all beleifs to "graduate" to knowledge then an contradiction occurs as this testing necessary for knowledge is a continuum therefore knowledge exists through a continuum.
The contradictions are relatively local - knowledge culminates into discrete states of being (such as absence of fear of suffering).
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Jul 25, 2020 5:03 pm Wars occurs due to property acquisition and land,
Trying to strip war of being ideologically driven - very pathetic.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Jul 25, 2020 5:03 pm Time is a mode of change,
Time is an aspect of motion. So is space. No further consideration need be given.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Jul 25, 2020 5:03 pm One point of discernment changes into another point of discernment. The end of one thing is the beginning of another.
The point is the same - the seat of one's own experience is within themselves.
This is how/why knowledge begins/ends with the self.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Jul 25, 2020 5:03 pm The gap in knowledge is inevitable given one is always approximated through many. We cannot see the totality of existence, we can only observe it through parts with the parts being a multitude of phenomenon dynamically change through the other.
It is not given one is approximated through many (nonsense) - one experiences one not independent of the whole (unless ignorant).
Autonomous existence implies that: one is one. This is the entire essence of yoga, the word which means "union".
This is also why the word "guru" is composed of "gu" (darkness) and "ru" (to displace) thus guru is that which displaces darkness (ignorance).
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Jul 25, 2020 5:03 pm It repeats itself in a newer variation thus is simultaneously occuring. Dually all memories are fractals of past events existing through the now. In remembering something the past is brought into the present.
If elements of the past repeat themselves in a new variation, the root is outstanding, thus present, not in (only) in the past.
There is nothing that is not in the present, hence pathologically appealing to the past instead of the present is naught but denial of the latter.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Jul 25, 2020 5:03 pm The cyclical nature of time, where one event repeats itself into a newer and newer form necessitates all phenomenon of the past cycling into the future.
All that exists is the present. It would take a great deal of ignorance to press otherwise.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Jul 25, 2020 5:03 pm False, evolution is a principle
Evolution is a process: a progression, not a principle. If even removing all particles from vacuumed space, the laws of physics would still exist. These laws are embedded into the fabric of existence having metaphysical corollary. For example, as above, so below, is often repeated but never resolutely clarified as to the exact meaning/implication. The physical universe has two domains: the physical/material and the metaphysical/immaterial. The laws governing the physical universe apply physically, however these same laws apply metaphysically despite not being directly related to physical matter.

The problem with Western science is they do not / can not acknowledge the existence of anything beyond their limited sense organs. The other half of the universe can not be accessed through these five sense organs, much in the same way the metaphysical 'principles' can not be derived lest their physical counter-part exist/apply to the physical. The nature of the relation between these two domains bridges above/below.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Jul 25, 2020 5:03 pm Then one is left with assuming experiences for what they are.
Assumption is not a mandatory state of being - one may experience directly absent assumption.
If arguing assumption is integral, this would speak only of one's own limitation (thus defined by the same).
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Jul 25, 2020 5:03 pm 0 is the foundation point of measurement given a line between two points.
0 does not actually have any meaning in the physical universe - the "number" simply does not exist.
There is only 1-4 wherein what we use as 6-9 symmetrically reflect about the axis of 5 (4-1-4).
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Jul 25, 2020 5:03 pm Blame the Muslisms!
Protect the pedophile men of today!
The first victim of Islam is the believing Muslim - Islam is a top-down problem.
The Muslims do not know they are the real book-worshiping "Jews"
because they have absolutely no ability to account for their own state of being
hence their nature of pathologically blaming others for their own internal problems:
Islamophobia, bigotry, racism, supremacism etc. These are all Islamic problems
being scapegoated onto the rest of the world esp. "white" non-Muslims.

Speaking of which:

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2020/07/uk-m ... by-muslims

Note: not Romans or Greeks, though I'll bet you will look for more ways to protect and defend the religious rape of women
because clearly you do not care in the least for anyone or anything but yourself, even at the expense of the suffering of so many.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Jul 25, 2020 5:03 pm If morality is socially constructed and man is a process of evolution, and not a sole determiner of truth, then morality is subject to evolution itself and you have no foot to stand on.
Morality as a social construct is a product of the lack of evolution.

Evolved human beings would know that millions of (mostly white) women being raped by Muhammadan men is beyond a moral issue,
it is at the very least a matter of a degenerative mental illness - a complete lack of regard for the well-being of others such to religiously rape
and/or protect/enshrine this by trying to scapegoat the crime onto others, such as Romans/Greeks of antiquity.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Jul 25, 2020 5:03 pm False, the statement exists because of the observer.
The observer exists independent of the statement.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Jul 25, 2020 5:03 pm still pointing fingers.
Yes you are - at Romans/Greeks of antiquity for the rape of hundreds of thousands of non-Muslim women by Muhammadan men.

If you are going to continue to try to imply your own finger-pointing is what I am doing
you are only practically demonstrating the validity of the underlying essence of CKIIT
being people who can not account for their own actions will pathologically scapegoat
onto others. You've been at this for quite some time now.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Jul 25, 2020 5:03 pm Prove it is own by Islam, you are just making assertions and blaming muslims again.
Wait for the investigations to finalize into the illegal spy campaign on U.S. President Trump and abuse of FISA process.
Clinton foundation was the front "access" hub to the services offered by the House of Islam: they run trafficking networks
and service non-Muslim "clients" while simultaneously attaining blackmail material such to use/control these same people
for the purposes of Islamic jihad. This is precisely what the global "Deep State" is - the House of Islam / Muslim Brotherhood
as, once again, the Muhammadans are the real book-worshiping "Jews" who use "Jews" as their own scapegoat.

I'm sorry if you don't like it - people who love the idea of religiously abusing others will hate the truth.
The Muhammadans can not stand the truth because they can not stand their guilt - the one thing they actually know of.

The Islamic supremacist mentality is thus the root of the silencing/suppressing, harassing, name-calling, abusing,
smearing and political assassination attempts (Trump) etc. This is how/why they have to accuse others of being
what they themselves are such to use the rest of humanity as their own scapegoat. This is the real nature
of the book-worshiping "Jew".
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Jul 25, 2020 5:03 pm Not all rapes are premised upon quranic verses being recited beforehand...I am not bothering with reading the rest...the level of pointing fingers and projection is absurd.
You're right - that you can not see it is yourself doing it should be of principle concern.
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Re: 'Knowledge' and 'Belief' as Primordial Antitheses

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nothing wrote: Sat Jul 25, 2020 11:09 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Jul 25, 2020 5:03 pm Existence is not limited to body and mind. To make the observation that existence occurs independent of body and mind is to observe this statement through the body and mind thus a contradiction occurs.
You are not the center of the universe - the fallacy is the reification of existence by way of body/mind.
This immediately implies one is identified with/as the body/mind, which is a form of ignorance.

Each phenomenon is a center point to another phenomenon considering all phenomenon progress to another.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Jul 25, 2020 5:03 pm False, knowledge as existing beyond the body and mind necessitates it as existing beyond the self unless the self is redefined to not include the body and mind (but this leads to the contradictions mentioned above.).
Knowledge concerns one's own self thus can not be beyond self.

This statement is made beyond me, considering you are making it, thus beyond myself.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Jul 25, 2020 5:03 pm To say knowledge begins and ends with one own self is a contradiction as this knowledge, as being stated by another person beyond me, is beyond the self.
The only way past this is to learn to see others as a part of yourself.

Other's are part of the self however they are also individual entities as well.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Jul 25, 2020 5:03 pm There is one and many. As to there being only one "1" this is false given 1 can equivocate to a variety of phenomenon thus leading to multiple 1s.
"Multiple 1s" is a contradiction. There may be an infinite number of expressions of the same 1.
There is only one expression which satisfies any/all such possibilities in/of this physical universe,
and this expression is 1 = Φ(π/4)² wherein Φ and π are universal constants.

1 equivocated to a variety of phenomenon. Second all numbers exist as recursion of 1 existing in multiple states as variations of 1.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Jul 25, 2020 5:03 pm This is hegelian thesis and antithesis. A third synthetic term results due to this dualism.

For example:

The lemon is yellow.
The lemon is not yellow.
Therefore the lemon is shades of yellow.
Lol "a third synthetic term".

Space and time are themselves discrete units.


Discrete units implies discretion.
Definition relies on the integrity of the proposition/postulate, thus is limited to/by.
The integrity of the propositions is determined by its relationship to another phenomenon as to what it is not. This discretion necessitates a thesis and antithesis thus all discrete units synthesize to form a medial term from which they come.


Discretion involves use of the conscience viz. consciousness.

What life is to presence of discretion, death is to absence of the same.

Law of Relative Inference (LORI)
Given the nature of any relation, it is not possible to infer an unknown by way of another unknown.
If one is known, the other may be inferred (by way of inference) if the nature of the relation is known.

One can infer an unknown by way of another unknown by stating the unknown is the limit of all percievably knowledge. This limit in turn observes what cannot be known thus creating a series of unknowns as a result. I may not know what color the sky is outside due to being indoors therefore I may also not know if it is going to rain or not. The color of the sky and the weather are both unknowns, one which infers another.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Jul 25, 2020 5:03 pm If belief is a continuum and it is necessary to try/test/falsify all beleifs to "graduate" to knowledge then an contradiction occurs as this testing necessary for knowledge is a continuum therefore knowledge exists through a continuum.
The contradictions are relatively local - knowledge culminates into discrete states of being (such as absence of fear of suffering).

False, the necessity of testing for knowledge necessitates beliefs to be present, thus a continuum..
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Jul 25, 2020 5:03 pm Wars occurs due to property acquisition and land,
Trying to strip war of being ideologically driven - very pathetic.

War is over the acquisition of resources....get over it.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Jul 25, 2020 5:03 pm Time is a mode of change,
Time is an aspect of motion. So is space. No further consideration need be given

Time is motion..
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Jul 25, 2020 5:03 pm One point of discernment changes into another point of discernment. The end of one thing is the beginning of another.
The point is the same - the seat of one's own experience is within themselves.
This is how/why knowledge begins/ends with the self.

Yet other "selves" exist.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Jul 25, 2020 5:03 pm The gap in knowledge is inevitable given one is always approximated through many. We cannot see the totality of existence, we can only observe it through parts with the parts being a multitude of phenomenon dynamically change through the other.
It is not given one is approximated through many (nonsense) - one experiences one not independent of the whole (unless ignorant).
The whole totality of existence cannot be observed.


Autonomous existence implies that: one is one. This is the entire essence of yoga, the word which means "union".
This is also why the word "guru" is composed of "gu" (darkness) and "ru" (to displace) thus guru is that which displaces darkness (ignorance).
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Jul 25, 2020 5:03 pm It repeats itself in a newer variation thus is simultaneously occuring. Dually all memories are fractals of past events existing through the now. In remembering something the past is brought into the present.
If elements of the past repeat themselves in a new variation, the root is outstanding, thus present, not in (only) in the past.
There is nothing that is not in the present, hence pathologically appealing to the past instead of the present is naught but denial of the latter.

The past is the root of the present considering all phenomenon of the past are existing in nee forms through the present.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Jul 25, 2020 5:03 pm The cyclical nature of time, where one event repeats itself into a newer and newer form necessitates all phenomenon of the past cycling into the future.
All that exists is the present. It would take a great deal of ignorance to press otherwise.

Yet the past and future exist through the present.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Jul 25, 2020 5:03 pm False, evolution is a principle
Evolution is a process: a progression, not a principle. If even removing all particles from vacuumed space, the laws of physics would still exist. These laws are embedded into the fabric of existence having metaphysical corollary. For example, as above, so below, is often repeated but never resolutely clarified as to the exact meaning/implication. The physical universe has two domains: the physical/material and the metaphysical/immaterial. The laws governing the physical universe apply physically, however these same laws apply metaphysically despite not being directly related to physical matter.

All principles are observations of processes. The progression of A to B is one of the most basic principles which exists. No disagreement to the rest.

The problem with Western science is they do not / can not acknowledge the existence of anything beyond their limited sense organs. The other half of the universe can not be accessed through these five sense organs, much in the same way the metaphysical 'principles' can not be derived lest their physical counter-part exist/apply to the physical. The nature of the relation between these two domains bridges above/below.

Again no disagreement.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Jul 25, 2020 5:03 pm Then one is left with assuming experiences for what they are.
Assumption is not a mandatory state of being - one may experience directly absent assumption.
If arguing assumption is integral, this would speak only of one's own limitation (thus defined by the same).

All experiences as unprintable necessitate all experiences as assumptive.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Jul 25, 2020 5:03 pm 0 is the foundation point of measurement given a line between two points.
0 does not actually have any meaning in the physical universe - the "number" simply does not exist.
There is only 1-4 wherein what we use as 6-9 symmetrically reflect about the axis of 5 (4-1-4).

Zero is the observation of change from one number to another, one state of being to another.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Jul 25, 2020 5:03 pm Blame the Muslisms!
Protect the pedophile men of today!
The first victim of Islam is the believing Muslim - Islam is a top-down problem.
The Muslims do not know they are the real book-worshiping "Jews"
because they have absolutely no ability to account for their own state of being
hence their nature of pathologically blaming others for their own internal problems:
Islamophobia, bigotry, racism, supremacism etc. These are all Islamic problems
being scapegoated onto the rest of the world esp. "white" non-Muslims.

Speaking of which:

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2020/07/uk-m ... by-muslims

Note: not Romans or Greeks, though I'll bet you will look for more ways to protect and defend the religious rape of women
because clearly you do not care in the least for anyone or anything but yourself, even at the expense of the suffering of so many.

I am saying the rape of women is universal and to limit it to strictly to religion is being small minded. Second how does a woman prove 500,000 non muslim girls have been raped by muslims?
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Jul 25, 2020 5:03 pm If morality is socially constructed and man is a process of evolution, and not a sole determiner of truth, then morality is subject to evolution itself and you have no foot to stand on.
Morality as a social construct is a product of the lack of evolution.

Yet morality is a social construct that exists through an evolved being.

Evolved human beings would know that millions of (mostly white) women being raped by Muhammadan men is beyond a moral issue,
it is at the very least a matter of a degenerative mental illness - a complete lack of regard for the well-being of others such to religiously rape
and/or protect/enshrine this by trying to scapegoat the crime onto others, such as Romans/Greeks of antiquity.

Scapegoating sexual degeneracy on a single religion when the evidence holds sexual degeneracy not only existing amidst multiple cultures but many of which hold the foundational axioms our civilization is built on is hypocritical.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Jul 25, 2020 5:03 pm False, the statement exists because of the observer.
The observer exists independent of the statement.

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But the statement does not exist independent of the observer.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Jul 25, 2020 5:03 pm still pointing fingers.
Yes you are - at Romans/Greeks of antiquity for the rape of hundreds of thousands of non-Muslim women by Muhammadan men.

I am saying rape is universal across all cultures.

If you are going to continue to try to imply your own finger-pointing is what I am doing
you are only practically demonstrating the validity of the underlying essence of CKIIT
being people who can not account for their own actions will pathologically scapegoat
onto others. You've been at this for quite some time now.

And you blame Muslim men for the majority of rapes. Everyone is accountable for there own actions thus you cannot scape goat a single faith.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Jul 25, 2020 5:03 pm Prove it is own by Islam, you are just making assertions and blaming muslims again.
Wait for the investigations to finalize into the illegal spy campaign on U.S. President Trump and abuse of FISA process.
Clinton foundation was the front "access" hub to the services offered by the House of Islam: they run trafficking networks
and service non-Muslim "clients" while simultaneously attaining blackmail material such to use/control these same people
for the purposes of Islamic jihad. This is precisely what the global "Deep State" is - the House of Islam / Muslim Brotherhood
as, once again, the Muhammadans are the real book-worshiping "Jews" who use "Jews" as their own scapegoat.

I'm sorry if you don't like it - people who love the idea of religiously abusing others will hate the truth.
The Muhammadans can not stand the truth because they can not stand their guilt - the one thing they actually know of.

The Islamic supremacist mentality is thus the root of the silencing/suppressing, harassing, name-calling, abusing,
smearing and political assassination attempts (Trump) etc. This is how/why they have to accuse others of being
what they themselves are such to use the rest of humanity as their own scapegoat. This is the real nature
of the book-worshiping "Jew".

You forgot about the pedophile rings in the upper echelons which are non muslim.



Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Jul 25, 2020 5:03 pm Not all rapes are premised upon quranic verses being recited beforehand...I am not bothering with reading the rest...the level of pointing fingers and projection is absurd.
You're right - that you can not see it is yourself doing it should be of principle concern.

The hypocrisy is high with this one.
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