Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 11:22 am
Age wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 10:52 amAnd, remember it was not that to long ago the one, labeled "dontasme", was 'trying to' argue that the KNOWER/Consciousness can NEVER be KNOWN.
NO man..the character 'dontaskme' is a KNOWN concept, concepts do not know anything, knowing is NOT known by the character, but by the only knowing there is which is consciousness.
So, what is 'consciousness'?
What is it made up of? How does it exist? Who and/or what is it exactly? How did it come to be, and where did it come from exactly?
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 11:22 am
Consciousness is the original ground in which all concepts arise and are known as and when they arise one with the knowing. That which is known, aka the character doesn't and cannot know anything...so get your facts straight.
So, the one known as "dontaskme" purports to KNOW what the actual Truth IS, but will NOT clarify if that one is the One Consciousness or not.
Also, if the character, known as "dontaskme", cannot know anything, then how did it know what the facts are, and that I have not yet got the fact so called "straight" already?
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 11:22 am
Consciousness can never know it is consciousness, because it's the ONLY knowing there is, consciousness is inconceivable, and yet knows every concept that arises in it in this APPARENT conception...
But Consciousness, Itself, has ALREADY been conceived, and conceived in a Truly logical, Truly sensible, AND Truly reasonable way. That is HOW and WHY Consciousness can ask you a serious of questions, which you leave completely baffled to answer and explain. This is because 'you' still have a lot more to learn, and understand.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 11:22 am
Consciousness APPEARS to split in two, into knower and known. However, Both Knower and Known create each other simultaneously in the same exact moment...in this conception...prior to which no thing is here/there.
So, to 'you', HERE in this Universe there is absolutely NO 'thing', including NO 'Universe', until some 'thing' known as a 'Knower' creates some known 'thing', which actually creates the 'Knower' in the EXACT SAME moment, as the conception, itself.
Just out of curiosity, are 'you' at all able to explain HOW if there is absolutely NO thing at all, then HOW does a Knower, or a known, just appear in order to create each other?
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 11:22 am
So yeah, that's right, the KNOWN can't know anything,
I thought this was SO OBVIOUS a fact that it just goes 'without saying', except of course the KNOWN, Knower can and does KNOW EVERY 'thing' anyway.
Why do you think and/or feel that 'you' would 'need' to keep telling 'us', or 'you', this same thing repeatedly, which I do NOT see how any one would even disagree with, let alone would 'try' to dispute and refute?
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 11:22 am
the known is already being known by that which cannot be known.
But 'that', which ALREADY KNOWS the known, can be KNOWN, by Its Self, OBVIOUSLY.
How do 'I' KNOW this? Because 'I' am thee Knower, Consciousness, Itself, OBVIOUSLY.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 11:22 am
I really do not think you are able to grasp what this comment is saying and is why you continue to question it....
Or, maybe 'I' actually do KNOW more in regards to 'your' comments, and even 'you', that 'self', and the very reason WHY I continue to question you regards this, and other things, is just because I WANT TO?
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Jul 04, 2020 11:22 am
Please stop acting so dumb about this Age...you already know all this anyway...Don't you understand that when you are trying to discuss what you already know with another sage (knowing) ...the discussion will just become a futile exercise, simply because there is no thing there in the other sage (knowing) for you to bounce off, and that is all you are trying to do is make a big bouncy drama out of no thing, and this is your problem, one that you do not seem to recognise you are creating. And is why I only engage in discussing this with you when I'm feeling like I want to play the big bouncy bouncy game with someone else.
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Is that with the "someone else", which 'you' continually state does NOT even exist?
Also, just maybe I am hoping to engage with "another" in the hope of finding "another" who will question me in the same way I question them, and then together these two, so called, "sages" will discover a way to SHOW and REVEAL the underlying True message, which is within us ALL, and which is wanting to be SHARED among ALL.
I am looking for those who think that they could be able to get me to contradict what I have previously said, by questioning and/or challenging me, like I do to them. Or, I am looking for those that think they can get me to NOT be able to soundly and valid explain my views in argument form, or get me to NOT be able to back up and support my views and claims.
Another True 'sage' would have been able to recognize and SEE this ALREADY. See, the more that I am questioned, specifically, then the more I am able to Truly explain things, specifically.