Drop the sarcasm.
When you said that you “do not see...” you said as much as you don’t believe...
So, whilst you do not see, it has to be correct for you, eh?
Drop the sarcasm.
An atheist’s conscience wouldn’t require observation of religious rules.Age wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2020 12:46 amBut a so called "atheist's" "conscience" would require observance of rules, correct?commonsense wrote: ↑Fri Jun 05, 2020 6:58 pm An atheist’s conscience wouldn’t require observance of such rules.
That would be utopia.Age wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2020 12:46 am By the way, to me there are NO rules in Life, and as such there are NO laws. Obviously, of course, other than those human being made up rules and laws. There is, however, one Lore, which Conscience, Itself, dictates, and which if followed, then we would all already be live in peace and harmony together. But this is for another discussion.
probably, that is what i believe, but someone else on this forum may have said the above - rather than me. i don't rem posting the above in particular, but may have - i've been here for 2.5 yrs so.........
agreed.Age wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 2:02 am Now, to know what 'Conscience' Itself is, just comes naturally with KNOWING and UNDERSTANDING ones' own Self.
We also know that absolutely EVERY adult ignores/kills Conscience in one way or another because if they did not, then we would already be living in Peace and Harmony (or Heaven).
You are right, a lot of this "world" that we live in now, in the days of when this is being written, is not pretty at all. This is because adult human beings do not follow their Conscience, instead they go after and follow what money can get for them.
commonsence is right here:Age wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 2:04 amOr, do they actually have a Conscience, but they just choose to ignore It?
concise and to the point.commonsense wrote: ↑Sun May 31, 2020 12:50 pmNo.
I don't understand, but welcome understanding. can you clarify for the thick-minded (me)?commonsense wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:16 pmIt is my view that this is absolutely true because it is impossible to be otherwise. I thought that this was obvious.
To ignore conscience is to defeat the very purpose of the thing. Conscience without its purpose cannot be conscience.
fully disagree.
again, disagee fully.Belinda wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 7:07 pm For instance if children are not educated they are less free when they are adults as they are either ill-equipped to make choices or they have fewer choices than their better informed contemporaries. Ill-educated adults will be unable to assess which political leaders are sane and which are insane.
I know you did not ask me, but would like to answer.Age wrote: ↑Fri Jun 05, 2020 10:05 amI do not know an adult human being who always follows the(ir) Conscience.commonsense wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 6:32 pmBazinga! I have been conflating conscience with functioning conscience. Better would have been: conscience without its purpose cannot be a functioning conscience.Age wrote: ↑Thu Jun 04, 2020 10:09 am
Did you know that words mean different things to different people?
What is the purpose of conscience, to you?
Also, if the word 'conscience' refers to some thing that tells us what the right thing to do in Life is, then by looking at the way adult human beings behave, in the days when this is being written, then there is not much actual evidence regarding them listening to AND following Conscience, Itself.
Functional or not, the purpose of conscience is to guide humans to do the right thing. Certainly, not everyone follows their conscience.
So, we agree that (the) Conscience guides human beings to do the right thing, and that that is Its actual purpose.
Do we also agree that there is just one Conscience? Or do you say that every human being has their very own individual different conscience?
not so black and white.commonsense wrote: ↑Fri Jun 05, 2020 6:58 pm Consider this: there are Muslims and Jews who avoid eating pork because their religion says so and their conscience dictates that they adhere to religious rules. An atheist’s conscience wouldn’t require observance of such rules.
Tell me more, if willing, i like your mindset here and may be your first disciple.Age wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2020 12:46 am
By the way, to me there are NO rules in Life, and as such there are NO laws. Obviously, of course, other than those human being made up rules and laws. There is, however, one Lore, which Conscience, Itself, dictates, and which if followed, then we would all already be live in peace and harmony together. But this is for another discussion.
I see now that it could’ve been helpful if I had captured 1 or 2 more posts going back. So, I’ll try to clarify here.gaffo wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2020 8:08 pmI don't understand, but welcome understanding. can you clarify for the thick-minded (me)?commonsense wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:16 pmIt is my view that this is absolutely true because it is impossible to be otherwise. I thought that this was obvious.
To ignore conscience is to defeat the very purpose of the thing. Conscience without its purpose cannot be conscience.
not so Sir. an atheist should know the rule of Judaism/Kosher - and etc, before judging a Jew's actions.commonsense wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2020 3:20 pmAn atheist’s conscience wouldn’t require observation of religious rules.Age wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2020 12:46 amBut a so called "atheist's" "conscience" would require observance of rules, correct?commonsense wrote: ↑Fri Jun 05, 2020 6:58 pm An atheist’s conscience wouldn’t require observance of such rules.
I think the Jew or Muslim would eat pork and subsequently feel remorseful. They might rationalize that their religion would permit them to eat pork in order to survive. But they would recognize their rationalization for what it was: an excuse to break the rules, and thusly feel uncomfortable anyway about breaking those rules.gaffo wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2020 8:41 pmnot so black and white.commonsense wrote: ↑Fri Jun 05, 2020 6:58 pm Consider this: there are Muslims and Jews who avoid eating pork because their religion says so and their conscience dictates that they adhere to religious rules. An atheist’s conscience wouldn’t require observance of such rules.
consider this, if the Jew or Muslim was found in the down and out, and a Christian offered then pork stew - would they deny it out of religious observances, or eat the stew out of the spirit of charity (stranger offering stew to the Jew in need).
I am not claiming that an atheist has no reason to be educated about religion. I am only saying that whatever rules an atheist’s conscience would have him follow, those rules would not be based purely on religious principles.gaffo wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2020 9:04 pmnot so Sir. an atheist should know the rule of Judaism/Kosher - and etc, before judging a Jew's actions.commonsense wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2020 3:20 pmAn atheist’s conscience wouldn’t require observation of religious rules.
their "rules" are a part of their culture (not their conscience) - if their rule conflicted with thier conscience, they would (if a good person AND not a coward - would act in toward their conscience, and throw out the rule) - and a smart athiest will educated himself about Judaism (which i personally have for 30 yr now - and an Athiest too BTW)..............just saying an dumb pigheaded Athiest shouting from the roof of his trailer home about the evils of Jews and Jewish Rules.............while knowing nothing of Judaism - is a full bore foolish dick.
BTW the Torah is not the greatest Jewish work (yes i know blasphemy! - nor did moses write it -yes burn me, i am a heretic per Judasim!..........
Amos, Job and Jonah are the the three greatest works of the Old Testament - offer more wisdom by order of 10 than the lesser not quite crap (after you remove the politics - "jews have the land because those living there before us were evil and only worthy of death/replacement by us" torah
thanks for reply, and i guess i'm just a dumbshit, i still do not follow.commonsense wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2020 9:02 pmI see now that it could’ve been helpful if I had captured 1 or 2 more posts going back. So, I’ll try to clarify here.gaffo wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2020 8:08 pmI don't understand, but welcome understanding. can you clarify for the thick-minded (me)?commonsense wrote: ↑Wed Jun 03, 2020 5:16 pm
It is my view that this is absolutely true because it is impossible to be otherwise. I thought that this was obvious.
To ignore conscience is to defeat the very purpose of the thing. Conscience without its purpose cannot be conscience.
“It is my view...”: I was trying to say that it’s a fact that, no, people do not simply ignore their conscience—that’s just not possible because to ignore conscience is to kill conscience, hence their is no conscience to be ignored. I was claiming that you can’t ignore what you’ve already killed. This claim is easily defeated, but that’s what I said.
“To ignore conscience...”: I should have said that to ignore conscience is to disregard the purpose, which is to guide us to do the right thing, and without its purpose, a conscience cannot be a functioning conscience.