surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 9:07 pm
Age wrote:
Your belief and / or your change in belief can be tested and verified and so is falsifiable by and through OPEN and Honest communication
It is not falsifiable for you cannot falsify internal mental states as you have no way of knowing if they are true
I can if the "other" is being OPEN and Honest.
surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 9:07 pm
Yet you claim to know that Skepdick is confused because he does not know whether or not he believes in God
What do you think I am claiming that "skepdick" is confused about EXACTLY?
Despite him categorically telling you that he is not confused at all you still claim that he is actually confused[/quote]
If you answered my previous question OPENLY and Honestly, then we will see if you have actually made the right or wrong assumption here.
surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 9:07 pm
Can you show how you know what his internal mental state is when it is only something he can possibly know
Yes. "skepdick's" mental state of "skepdick's" mental state is UNKNOWING.
"skepdick" is still somewhat confused and bewildered about whether "skepdick" believes in some thing or does not believe in some thing.
"skepdick" is obviously NOT confused NOR bewildered about 'not knowing this'. "skepdick" has made it very clear that "skepdick" does not know whether "skepdick" believes in some thing or does not believe in some thing.
The reason I say "skepdick" is still somewhat confused and bewildered is because "skepdick" itself still does not what only "skepdick" can possibly know. If a person does not yet know what only they could possibly know, then they are obviously somewhat confused and/or bewildered about 'that' what only they can possibly know.
You appear to be looking at what I am actually saying, and meaning, the same way "skepdick" is looking at what I am actually saying, and meaning, so both of you appear to be assuming the same thing, which is not what I am actually saying, meaning, and pointing out.
Are 'you', for example, confused and/or bewildered at all about whether you believe in some thing or not? From what you have told me previously, unlike "skepdick", 'you' are not one bit confused nor bewildered about this at all. You know you do not believe in any thing correct?
surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 9:07 pm
First person subjective interpretation cannot be falsified but if you think it can provide a testable hypothesis
I have never even remotely suggested first person subjective interpretation can be falsified. In fact I have even said I TOTALLY understand that "skepdick" says that they do not yet know if they believe in some thing or not. This I TOTALLY agree with.
This person, known as "skepdick", and its first person subjective interpretation of whether it knows if it believes in some thing or not IS; "I don't know". And, I would NEVER dispute the interpretation that that person says they have. If a person says they do not know some thing, then, to me, they do not yet know that thing. Unless of course they are being somewhat closed and/or dishonest.
If that is the interpretation/answer that "skepdick" says it has, then that is what it is. I have no reason to not accept it. And, if that is what it is, and to them there is absolutely NOTHING ELSE they can do to find how to change this interpretation/answer they have, then so be it.
They made the claim:
Neither my belief nor my change in belief is testable, let alone falsifiable.
I said that this is very testable.
They then said;
If you know of an experiment which would allow me to determine whether I believe in God or not - tell me what it is and I'll perform it all by myself.
I then provided an experiment and how to carry it out.
Then then said that this does not work, for them.
So, to me, so be it. I was just obliging when they asked for some thing. If what I said does not work for them, then so be it. I KNOW that it works for me. But, what works for me does not necessarily mean that it would work for every one or or even any one else. It obviously does not work for "skepdick", but at least we tried.