Skepdick wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 1:45 pm
Age wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 1:31 pm
Remember that I am not the one who is confused and bewildered here. It is you who remains confused and bewildered here.
I think you are the one not remembering. I am not confused or bewildered.
I just don't know.
So, if you do not know some thing, and you are supposedly not confused nor bewildered, then what are you exactly?
Skepdick wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 1:45 pm
Age wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 1:31 pm
You do not know if you, yourself, believe some thing or not, which is a considerably unusual thing to not yet know and understand.
I know and understand perfectly fine. You are really, really hearing things I am not saying.
I know and understand that I don't know if I believe in God.
You know and understand that you do not know if you believe in some thing or not, yet. Sounds very, very clear to me.
Skepdick wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 1:45 pm
Age wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 1:31 pm
Your responses here speak loud and clear, well to me anyway.
Obviously it doesn't.
Why do you say and propose this?
What am I saying that is wrong exactly?
Skepdick wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 1:45 pm
Age wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 1:31 pm
If you do not have the ability to answer your own clarifying questions, then so be it.
That's a pretty awkward argument.
Was it an argument, or just a plain fact?
Skepdick wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 1:45 pm
If I already know the answer why would I even ask the question?
How did you arrive at the answer if you did not even ask the question?
And, if you asked the question, and you do not have the ability to answer the question, then so be it.
If you do not even yet know if you, yourself, believe in some thing or not, then, if you never ask the question again, then that answer will remain forever. Therefore, you will remain forever more not knowing if you believe in some thing or not, which sounds like a very strange and peculiar place to be in.
Skepdick wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 1:45 pm
Age wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 1:31 pm
As I said earlier on to you, if you are somewhat closed and/or dishonest at all, then you will still be as confused and bewildered as you are now.
Q.E.D I am neither bewildered nor confused. So I am not closed.
I just don't know if I believe in God.
Sounds, to me, like you are very confused and bewildered.
Age wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 1:31 pm
So, if you are not forthcoming, then you will remain bamboozled.
I think you are bamboozled. Because I am forthcoming.
In what other language can i explain to you my state of being: I don't know if I believe in God and I don't know how to find out.[/quote]
Then I would suggest asking some further clarifying questions.
I KNOW you do not yet know if you believe in God or not, so this does not need further explaining. You have made it very clear that you still confused about whether you believe or do not believe in God.
You know you do not yet know if you believe in God or not. So, it is clear you know you are confused, even if you do not like to be Honest about this fact. But remember, we are not talking about you knowing some other thing outside of you. We are talking about you knowing 'you', and if you do not yet even know whether you believe in some thing or not, then who else would you expect to know this obvious answer?
Skepdick wrote: ↑Thu May 21, 2020 1:45 pm
The way you are suggesting isn't working. Do you have any other ideas?
No, other than what I have suggested already. If you, yourself, can not work out what you, yourself, believe in or do not believe in, and you really are being OPEN and Honest with your self, then there does not look like there is any help for you at all.
Most people I know, know exactly what they believe in and/or do not believe in, and all I have to do with them is just ask them, to verify.
Do you also not know whether you believe in fairies or not? Or, do you know the answer to this question?
How about believing in self, do you know if you believe in your self? Or, do you not yet know the answer to this question as well?