uwot wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 10:06 pm
I dunno. A few mutually self righteous, happy-clappy exchanges with the god squad on theses pages perhaps.
As if sanctimony is a vice exclusive to theism.
uwot wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 10:06 pm
Well, it could be as simple as reading some holy book and not being baffled that anyone takes it seriously
No different to any book that requires a modicum of hermeneutics/interpretation.
uwot wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 10:06 pm
, or getting up on a Friday/Saturday/Sunday morning to attend the mosque/synagogue/church, assuming the god you are wondering whether you believe in is of an Abrahamic stripe.
To me all those social-bonding activities and rituals are the primacy of religion - they are valuable in their own right and for their own reasons.
uwot wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 10:06 pm
There could be a more theistic bent to the posts you write. You could find yourself on street corners handing out leaflets, banging on people's doors, or hanging around abortion clinics harassing anyone who enters.
And that's somehow worse than harassing people who don't believe in global warming, throwing paint on people who wear fur jackets and any of the hundreds other brands of activism that crosses the line?
Like I said - being a despicable human is not a vice exclusive to theists. Correlation is not causation...
uwot wrote: ↑Thu May 14, 2020 10:06 pm
It really depends on the type of god and the depth of belief that you wish to test, but there will be something you can measure almost as easily as you can count empty ice cream tubs.
I am not Muslim, but I am doing the Ramadan fast. Because - self-discipline.
I am not Jewish but we practice Shabbos dinner in my house - because Friday family time.
I am not Christian but I like the traditions around Easter and Christmas - so I copy those too.
I am not Hindu but there's a bunch of Ganesha and Hanuman statues in my house.
I practice prayer because - venting to nobody whatsoever helps with lower frustration and anxiety.
I read the Bible, Quran and Torah because I like spotting the parallels between human ideas, and I also like to examine how my own understanding of those texts has changed 20+ years since I first bothered reading them.
Every one of those ritual has a social, psychological and other systemic benefits with its corresponding trade-offs/harms when taken to the extreme.
With all that said, the entire notion of God-belief is en epiphenomenon - a red herring.