I would say that nature also cannot create a mind. Let's suppose otherwise. This means that there is a process, that people call it evolution, in which you get the mind out of other things. This process, however, in principle can be known and repeated by an intelligent agent. Mind, however, cannot be created since it doesn't have structure. Therefore, nature also cannot create a mind.
Anything which cannot be created cannot be annihilated too
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Re: Anything which cannot be created cannot be annihilated too
Your welcome.Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:35 amThanks for the clarification.
It is not an illusion. It is necessary.
I don't understand what you mean with dead. The stuff as a memory we perceive, the information, resides somewhere since we can retrieve it whenever we want. Yes, this information doesn't experience itself if that is what you mean with dead.
And this movie just works coherently by chance. Why it is not vague? Why it is not a sequence random frames?Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 9:35 am Awareness is the LIGHT which animates the film (memory / imprint) as if it's a living continuous movie appearing on the screen of mind. In reality, it's just a movie show made of light and sound being projected by it's own LIGHT source. There is no ''character'' upon the screen separate from the screen on which is it being projected, it's all the play of the ONE LIGHT...which is just another word for Consciousness.
Conscious awareness is neither dead nor alive, it just IS...UNCREATED AND UNDYING.
That's my defintion of clarity.
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Re: Anything which cannot be created cannot be annihilated too
Well spoken as a substance dualist! I wonder if it has ever it ever been known for a substance dualist to become or even understand a substance monist. I guess you, Bahman, are a religious. If you were to lose your faith would you lose your faith minds are a different substance from brains?bahman wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 7:27 pmI would say that nature also cannot create a mind. Let's suppose otherwise. This means that there is a process, that people call it evolution, in which you get the mind out of other things. This process, however, in principle can be known and repeated by an intelligent agent. Mind, however, cannot be created since it doesn't have structure. Therefore, nature also cannot create a mind.
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Necessary only in the context the illusion is real within the context the word 'real' and the word 'illusion' is conceptually known.
But in reality, there is nothing real or unreal...except in this conception.
There's just what IS (WHICH IS CONSCIOUSNESS WITHOUT AN OBJECT) without the unecessary label being attached, superimposed upon what just IS.
To attach a label only describes what is otherwise this immediate not-knowning knowing to become an objective known ..and that which is objectively known can never be known by the object known. It's tricky!
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That somewhere is only ever here-now-nowhere. Memory is here-now-nowhere.
This immediate now-here-nowhere is who you are, and so there is no need to retrieve who you are..you already are right here and now as this present presence, the only place there is.
In present presence, who you really are, there is no information present. Information can only come from past tense which is always embedded within what is only ever the present now.. which is constantly feeding the illusory continuity of an ever present presence of you now... There is no you in memory, memory is just information informing the uninformed here-now present presence nowhere - Again, it's tricky!
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Not sure what you mean now...but all I can say in response is...
It works sequence by sequence, frame by frame, just like any movie reel that when exposed to the light projecter on contact the film moves...so as one sequence arises it is known immediately on contact, one with the knowing and each can be said about every sequence that arises...and so as each sequence is known this gives continuity to what becomes a living working movie. And the reason it is continuous and seamless is because there is nothing that can cut it - or stop it - there is no rewind button either, it's just totally going live all by itself.
We replicate this process everytime we make a movie to later show on a big cinema screen. It's all the same process, except the waking life movie appears as if it's more real than the fictional movie...and yet both are being operated and created and shown on and by the same ONE consciousness.
Re: Anything which cannot be created cannot be annihilated too
I don't believe in God, the creator (I have an argument against the act of creation), but I think that spiritual reality is real. This is not based on fact by my spiritual experiences which are very vast, almost fifteen years of dealing with other creatures. I think the brain is only a medium between the external world and the mind. Mind to me exists as a matter fact, the decision made by a person is irreducible therefore it cannot be due to many entities. I also once experience my mind.Belinda wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 8:07 amWell spoken as a substance dualist! I wonder if it has ever it ever been known for a substance dualist to become or even understand a substance monist. I guess you, Bahman, are a religious. If you were to lose your faith would you lose your faith minds are a different substance from brains?bahman wrote: ↑Tue May 12, 2020 7:27 pmI would say that nature also cannot create a mind. Let's suppose otherwise. This means that there is a process, that people call it evolution, in which you get the mind out of other things. This process, however, in principle can be known and repeated by an intelligent agent. Mind, however, cannot be created since it doesn't have structure. Therefore, nature also cannot create a mind.
Re: Anything which cannot be created cannot be annihilated too
It is necessary as I would argue in future posts.Dontaskme wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 10:52 amNecessary only in the context the illusion is real within the context the word 'real' and the word 'illusion' is conceptually known.
But in reality, there is nothing real or unreal...except in this conception.
There's just what IS (WHICH IS CONSCIOUSNESS WITHOUT AN OBJECT) without the unecessary label being attached, superimposed upon what just IS.
To attach a label only describes what is otherwise this immediate not-knowning knowing to become an objective known ..and that which is objectively known can never be known by the object known. It's tricky!
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Yes, mind doesn't have any location. It, however, experience matter.
True. But I have memory too. I can approach the future too.
True. Everything is present to the mind at now.
I am not an illusion arguing with another illusion.
Yes, there is no me in my memory. Memory is in me.
Re: Anything which cannot be created cannot be annihilated too
Think of a movie. Frames come in order in order to carry a meaning. Now, take the frames and put them in a random sequence. What you see is now doesn't carry any meaning since it is random. I am wondering why reality carry a meaning.
Yes, it is a sequence. But we can affect this sequence. This cannot be due to illusion since the illusion is indifferent.Dontaskme wrote: ↑Wed May 13, 2020 11:31 am It works sequence by sequence, frame by frame, just like any movie reel that when exposed to the light projecter on contact the film moves...so as one sequence arises it is known immediately on contact, one with the knowing and each can be said about every sequence that arises...and so as each sequence is known this gives continuity to what becomes a living working movie. And the reason it is continuous and seamless is because there is nothing that can cut it - or stop it - there is no rewind button either, it's just totally going live all by itself.
We replicate this process everytime we make a movie to later show on a big cinema screen. It's all the same process, except the waking life movie appears as if it's more real than the fictional movie...and yet both are being operated and created and shown on and by the same ONE consciousness.