Sculptor wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 10:57 pmattofishpi wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 1:12 am
Sculptor wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 10:57 pmImagine everything that wisdom refers to, all knowledge the discipline of epistemology, the search for knowledge, then remove god. That is atheism.
Now.
DO the same thing, and remove accountability and reason, - that is theism.
I think you mean, ADD accountability and REMOVE reason?
No. I meant what I said. When you adopt the religion of your childhood, or pick one, you hand over accountability to the god-head.
As this is clearly unreasonable, you have to hand over reason at the same time.
The grounds that you are deeming theism as unreasonable, are in fact the very grounds that make theism REASONABLE:-
Accountability remains - you remain accountable for your own affairs and are also accountable to the doctrine of whatever faith you were born and raised within. You can then chose to believe in it or not and certainly become atheist - that consideration is no longer an option for me.
You need to understand, theism permits the comprehension of a concept - the 'soul'.
So one IS NOT simply handing over accountability but rather, understanding that in 'this' life, God has seen fit to have you born into the family of a particular faith. In my case - being raised Catholic.
Some time ago, perhaps a 100yrs or more, you were probably off to Church every week - then as your soul traversed time, you decided - its all a load of bollocks, and became atheist. This life, I'm thinking you probably were born into an atheist upbringing - you created your own path through life. You remain atheist - you will be born into atheism.
Sculptor wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 10:57 pmattofishpi wrote: ↑Mon May 11, 2020 1:12 amReason? No. You arn't going to remove reason from a theist definition of Wisdom - surely!??
As theism is an unreasonable position, I see no reason to include wisdom in theism.
That is ridiculous. Am I correct in saying that you believe ONLY atheists can develop to have Wisdom?
Sculptor wrote: ↑Sun May 10, 2020 10:57 pmWisdom is the place where reason, knowledge, information and experience come together with age and consideration.
It is a dangerous position to be in, since complacency can result.
Reason - Intelligent Analysis.
Knowledge - Analysed Information Stored.
Experience - Limited - No Faith - No 'Spiritual' Experience.
Condsideration - Intelligent Reasoning of Experience - Limited.
So as demonstrated above, atheist 'Wisdom' is rather limited:-
IF there is a God, this entity will not reveal itself in any reasonable way since it has demanded FAITH.
In that binary position where you as an atheist may be wrong - you are restricting yourself from any actual experience of..God.
Thus, the true
love of Wisdom is a tenet only held by the theist philosopher.
You're welcome.