Sick until proven healthy

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Gloominary
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The left or establishment has created a new class of people, the sick.
The sick have less rights than the healthy.
They can be forcibly quarantined and treated.
And assuming everyone is sick until proven healthy, is every bit as insane as assuming everyone is guilty until proven innocent.
The potentially sick can be forcibly tested (and vaccinated).
And how they define the sick is absurd, since this virus, like most viruses, is ubiquitous and has little or nothing to do with health.
They've assumed this virus is lethal until proven nonlethal.
They refuse to examine the data proving it nonlethal.
This is not democracy, our fundamental rights and freedoms have been suspended, this is totalitarianism and we must resist.
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get on the train...

wait, we are armed...

-Imp
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"our fundamental rights and freedoms have been suspended"

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A man’s rights rest in three boxes. The ballot-box, the jury-box, and the cartridge-box. -F. Douglas
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Gloominary wrote: Mon May 11, 2020 4:30 pm The left or establishment has created a new class of people, the sick.
The sick have less rights than the healthy.
They can be forcibly quarantined and treated.
And assuming everyone is sick until proven healthy, is every bit as insane as assuming everyone is guilty until proven innocent.
The potentially sick can be forcibly tested (and vaccinated).
And how they define the sick is absurd, since this virus, like most viruses, is ubiquitous and has little or nothing to do with health.
They've assumed this virus is lethal until proven nonlethal.
They refuse to examine the data proving it nonlethal.
This is not democracy, our fundamental rights and freedoms have been suspended, this is totalitarianism and we must resist.
Amen, bro. I just want to ask why you say that most viruses have little or nothing to do with health.
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I could research this question but I'd rather ask them here. Has there ever been international or American conferences on strategy to control disease? My assumption would have been that the restrictions on travel and businesses imposed in America would only have been imposed if the disease was so deadly that 90% of people would be so afraid as to practice similar caution without being forced.

Here are two things worth considering. First, consider how much money the American government would have saved and how much it would have gained through tax revenue if no restrictions were put in place. If this money was put towards education and to aid to those who were sick or were at the greatest risk, it's very likely that the disease, however deadly it is compared to other diseases, would have had a lesser infection rate.

Second, less sever restrictions could have likely done more good than some of the more sever. For example making face masks mandatory when inside all commercial buildings for non-essential purposes and all medical facilities might have done more good in place of all existing restrictions such as on travel and those closing businesses. One could argue that forcing one to wear a face mask in public was tyrannical, but I suppose it be more difficult to argue that it'd be tyranny if limited to those buildings.

There's almost no doubt that more good would have been done if rather than the restrictions that were given, they made those limited face masks laws and still banned all forms of crowds.

While the American constitution was never as effective as some claim and has been severally put to the test in the past, this may be the most it's ever been disregarded.
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Impenitent wrote: Mon May 11, 2020 5:38 pm get on the train...

wait, we are armed...

-Imp
HQ wrote:A man’s rights rest in three boxes. The ballot-box, the jury-box, and the cartridge-box. -F. Douglas
Not these old saws again. Take a good look around the world and see what the US infantry is capable of. If your Prez decides to treat you like the Japanese Americans were treated in WWII there is fuck all your pop-guns will do against the US infantry. You'll be going or you'll be dead.
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Gloominary wrote: Mon May 11, 2020 4:30 pm The left or establishment has created a new class of people, the sick.
The sick have less rights than the healthy.
They can be forcibly quarantined and treated.
And assuming everyone is sick until proven healthy, is every bit as insane as assuming everyone is guilty until proven innocent.
The potentially sick can be forcibly tested (and vaccinated).
And how they define the sick is absurd, since this virus, like most viruses, is ubiquitous and has little or nothing to do with health.
They've assumed this virus is lethal until proven nonlethal.
They refuse to examine the data proving it nonlethal.
This is not democracy, our fundamental rights and freedoms have been suspended, this is totalitarianism and we must resist.
But it's not the 'left' is it, it's your right-wing Prez and his chums.
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Arising_uk wrote: Tue May 12, 2020 2:45 am
Impenitent wrote: Mon May 11, 2020 5:38 pm get on the train...

wait, we are armed...

-Imp
HQ wrote:A man’s rights rest in three boxes. The ballot-box, the jury-box, and the cartridge-box. -F. Douglas
Not these old saws again. Take a good look around the world and see what the US infantry is capable of. If your Prez decides to treat you like the Japanese Americans were treated in WWII there is fuck all your pop-guns will do against the US infantry. You'll be going or you'll be dead.
Wow. Many can overpower one: thank you Capt. Obvious.
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Gloominary wrote: Mon May 11, 2020 4:30 pm The left or establishment has created a new class of people, the sick.
The sick have less rights than the healthy.
They can be forcibly quarantined and treated.
And assuming everyone is sick until proven healthy, is every bit as insane as assuming everyone is guilty until proven innocent.
The potentially sick can be forcibly tested (and vaccinated).
And how they define the sick is absurd, since this virus, like most viruses, is ubiquitous and has little or nothing to do with health.
They've assumed this virus is lethal until proven nonlethal.
They refuse to examine the data proving it nonlethal.
This is not democracy, our fundamental rights and freedoms have been suspended, this is totalitarianism and we must resist.
Funny, in my Scandinavian country its the leftists that have skipped quarantine and killed per capita much more people than in the US. We at the right want to take responsibility and avoid the disease. Completely the opposite from your country.

What’s left and what’s right?
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henry quirk wrote: Tue May 12, 2020 5:20 am
Arising_uk wrote: Tue May 12, 2020 2:45 am
Impenitent wrote: Mon May 11, 2020 5:38 pm get on the train...

wait, we are armed...

-Imp
HQ wrote:A man’s rights rest in three boxes. The ballot-box, the jury-box, and the cartridge-box. -F. Douglas
Not these old saws again. Take a good look around the world and see what the US infantry is capable of. If your Prez decides to treat you like the Japanese Americans were treated in WWII there is fuck all your pop-guns will do against the US infantry. You'll be going or you'll be dead.
Wow. Many can overpower one: thank you Capt. Obvious.
They globalist superpowers can take away your wealth, your health, and your mind, but they will NEVER take away your guns.

Good point.

Pistols at Dawn...no one wins. Checkmate. Game over. And Everyone wins, and they will not know where to point their guns.
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Gloominary wrote: Mon May 11, 2020 4:30 pm This is not democracy, our fundamental rights and freedoms have been suspended, this is totalitarianism and we must resist.
David Icke talked about this totalitarium tiptoe that is being rolled out right in front of our noses. But he crossed the line when he started to ramp up the real story about the effects of 5G.. And his punishment was that he has now been BANNED from every single social media platform you can think of. All for just having an opinion. The truth is no one has freedom of speech, because if they did, then why has David Icke been censored, even though the guy has made thousands of videos and has been talking about this for over 30 years.
So WHY NOW..have they taken him down?

I know why, and so too do a lot of other people.

The truth does not want to be heard because there is a global agenda, that is much more important, and it does not include the sick people. It does not include the ones who dare to wear their tin foil hats with a fearless pride.

The real truth of your being is censored, and replaced by false programming, that cause you to live in fear and be wholly dependant upon the FARM. .which is another word for state...and without the lowly peasants, the ordinary hard working honest worker bees, they have no FARM...

We must not give away our power, we must fight or become compliant participants in our own slavery.

The rise of the machines is happening, sick humans will all be replaced by AI

That's why there is constant news everywhere reminding you that you are sick, or will get sick, and will stay sick if you do not take THE cure, if you do not do what we tell you to do.
A cure that will never be found in reality- and so the only real cure available is to save yourself from all the lying cheating propaganda BS they try to ram down your throat every second of your life, and all the fool you for swallowing this fake pseudo nonsense.

But they do not want anyone to know that they can save themselves via alternative knowledge as and through your own intuitve knowing of how to be well and healthy.. they do not want you to be healthy, and is why when you do not conform to what is deemed acceptable, you will be censored for even daring to think for yourself and to be able to make your own mind up about how you want to think and feel.

And that is why David Icke has been banned for speaking out, because the agenda is reaching critical mass right now.

People are WAKING THE FUCK UP...and smelling a rat in the swamp.

I am not an American but I know that America WILL rise up. The free world needs America. So buckle up and stay strong.
I've already witnessed how the President DT deals with the medias press reporters, when they try to make him look like he is the bad boy when all he is doing is doing his best...He does not give those negative hecklers the time and space to act out their foolery. He's gives them all exactly what they deserve. The silent treatment...all because he is only interested in fighting for truth and justice as every soldier of God is assigned to do on this earth. He is an enlightend man and no one can mess with the mind of an enlightened man. They may try, but they will be squashed like a bug on the bottom his shoe. It will end badly for the liars and the fools. The lionhearts will rise up not the machines.

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Ansiktsburk wrote:... We at the right want to take responsibility and avoid the disease. ...
You can't avoid this disease this will only happen if there is a vaccine. All you can do is to try and delay the spread so your health services dont collapse.
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Impenitent wrote: Mon May 11, 2020 5:38 pm get on the train...

wait, we are armed...

-Imp
henry quirk wrote: Mon May 11, 2020 6:41 pm A man’s rights rest in three boxes. The ballot-box, the jury-box, and the cartridge-box. -F. Douglas
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commonsense wrote: Mon May 11, 2020 7:09 pm
Gloominary wrote: Mon May 11, 2020 4:30 pm The left or establishment has created a new class of people, the sick.
The sick have less rights than the healthy.
They can be forcibly quarantined and treated.
And assuming everyone is sick until proven healthy, is every bit as insane as assuming everyone is guilty until proven innocent.
The potentially sick can be forcibly tested (and vaccinated).
And how they define the sick is absurd, since this virus, like most viruses, is ubiquitous and has little or nothing to do with health.
They've assumed this virus is lethal until proven nonlethal.
They refuse to examine the data proving it nonlethal.
This is not democracy, our fundamental rights and freedoms have been suspended, this is totalitarianism and we must resist.
Amen, bro. I just want to ask why you say that most viruses have little or nothing to do with health.
See terrain theory.
Gloominary
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Arising_uk wrote: Tue May 12, 2020 2:45 am
Impenitent wrote: Mon May 11, 2020 5:38 pm get on the train...

wait, we are armed...

-Imp
HQ wrote:A man’s rights rest in three boxes. The ballot-box, the jury-box, and the cartridge-box. -F. Douglas
Not these old saws again. Take a good look around the world and see what the US infantry is capable of. If your Prez decides to treat you like the Japanese Americans were treated in WWII there is fuck all your pop-guns will do against the US infantry. You'll be going or you'll be dead.
They lost the war in Korea, Vietnam and Afghanistan.

And some American infantry will defect to our side.
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