Dr. Erickson COVID-19 Briefing

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Sculptor wrote: Sun Apr 26, 2020 6:03 pm FFS.
It's the actual number of cases per day stupid.
No health service is capable of handling the numbers without a fucking lockdown.
Covid might not be massively fatal. But it is very virulent, incapacitating and massively INFECTIOUS.
96% survive, but that number is achievable BECAUSE the health service is able to supply CARE.
You you let the thing run without precautions the number of cases exceed the capacity of hospitals, respirators, and other facilities needed to achieve 96% success in treatment.
Simply for you drongos out there.
If too many people get infected at one time, then the success rate drops and a lot more people die.
This is the lesson learned from state to state during Spanish flu. States that took precautions had much lower death rates.
Henry doesn't care. He's a libertarian. They believe in the right to infect others.
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attofishpi wrote: Thu Apr 30, 2020 1:20 pm
Sculptor wrote: Sun Apr 26, 2020 6:03 pm FFS.
It's the actual number of cases per day stupid.
No health service is capable of handling the numbers without a fucking lockdown.
Covid might not be massively fatal. But it is very virulent, incapacitating and massively INFECTIOUS.
96% survive, but that number is achievable BECAUSE the health service is able to supply CARE.
You you let the thing run without precautions the number of cases exceed the capacity of hospitals, respirators, and other facilities needed to achieve 96% success in treatment.
Simply for you drongos out there.
If too many people get infected at one time, then the success rate drops and a lot more people die.
This is the lesson learned from state to state during Spanish flu. States that took precautions had much lower death rates.
I see everyone has ignored you. I would just like to step up and say, bravo. 8)
Thanks.
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Sculptor wrote: Sun Apr 26, 2020 6:03 pm FFS.
It's the actual number of cases per day stupid.
No health service is capable of handling the numbers without a fucking lockdown.
Covid might not be massively fatal. But it is very virulent, incapacitating and massively INFECTIOUS.
96% survive, but that number is achievable BECAUSE the health service is able to supply CARE.
You you let the thing run without precautions the number of cases exceed the capacity of hospitals, respirators, and other facilities needed to achieve 96% success in treatment.
Simply for you drongos out there.
If too many people get infected at one time, then the success rate drops and a lot more people die.
This is the lesson learned from state to state during Spanish flu. States that took precautions had much lower death rates.
Their hospitalization per infection rate is as fraudulent as their mortality per infection rate.
Hospitals aren't much more overwhelmed this year than last, and to the degree they are, it's due to a growing and aging population, not Covid.
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Wed Apr 29, 2020 8:21 pm So some conspiracytard crap then. I suppose the clue was the three stooges singing its praises :roll:

https://theprepared.com/blog/dr-erickso ... sly-wrong/

This points out the 'osteopath's' contradictions and absurdities so naturally none of you clowns will bother reading it :lol: :lol:
Did you know the US government spread disinformation about the situation in Nam to justify war against Vietnam?
That's now mainstream history, not revisionism, and that's just one example among thousands of how the governments conspire against the people.
For many decades, the tobacco companies manipulated science to make it look like smoking tobacco was good for you.
If you dismiss conspiracy theories just because they're conspiracy theories, you're a victim of disinformation.
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Gloominary wrote: Fri May 01, 2020 12:25 pm
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Wed Apr 29, 2020 8:21 pm So some conspiracytard crap then. I suppose the clue was the three stooges singing its praises :roll:

https://theprepared.com/blog/dr-erickso ... sly-wrong/

This points out the 'osteopath's' contradictions and absurdities so naturally none of you clowns will bother reading it :lol: :lol:
Did you know the US government spread disinformation about the situation in Nam to justify war against Vietnam?
That's now mainstream history, not revisionism, and that's just one example among thousands of how the governments conspire against the people.
For many decades, the tobacco companies manipulated science to make it look like smoking tobacco was good for you.
If you dismiss conspiracy theories just because they're conspiracy theories, you're a victim of disinformation.
I'm not saying conspiracyies don't happen--of course they do. But a 'conspiracty theorist' will be believe anything as long as there is no evidence to support it--the whackier the better. It's a derogatory term.
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Gloominary wrote: Fri May 01, 2020 12:25 pm
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Wed Apr 29, 2020 8:21 pm So some conspiracytard crap then. I suppose the clue was the three stooges singing its praises :roll:

https://theprepared.com/blog/dr-erickso ... sly-wrong/

This points out the 'osteopath's' contradictions and absurdities so naturally none of you clowns will bother reading it :lol: :lol:
Did you know the US government spread disinformation about the situation in Nam to justify war against Vietnam?
That's now mainstream history, not revisionism, and that's just one example among thousands of how the governments conspire against the people.
For many decades, the tobacco companies manipulated science to make it look like smoking tobacco was good for you.
If you dismiss conspiracy theories just because they're conspiracy theories, you're a victim of disinformation.
Yeah some governments are pushing the term "conspiracy theorist" in order to group together total nutjobs (like those who believe in shapeshifter raptiloid aliens) with intelligent people who point out possibly very real and sometimes huge conspiracies. It's another dirty cover-up tactic, and it works on most stupid people.
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Gloominary wrote: Fri May 01, 2020 12:25 pm
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Wed Apr 29, 2020 8:21 pm So some conspiracytard crap then. I suppose the clue was the three stooges singing its praises :roll:

https://theprepared.com/blog/dr-erickso ... sly-wrong/

This points out the 'osteopath's' contradictions and absurdities so naturally none of you clowns will bother reading it :lol: :lol:
Did you know the US government spread disinformation about the situation in Nam to justify war against Vietnam?
That's now mainstream history, not revisionism, and that's just one example among thousands of how the governments conspire against the people.
For many decades, the tobacco companies manipulated science to make it look like smoking tobacco was good for you.
If you dismiss conspiracy theories just because they're conspiracy theories, you're a victim of disinformation.
Yes, governments do bad things at times. They also provide services to their people when they're not diabolically scheming to take over the world. I don't know why anyone would be lying about this virus. What is there to gain from it? The wealthy don't want to see the economy wrecked and neither do average working people. There's nothing anyone would gain from it. Some people are saying it's to "control the population". Control for what purpose? What end? There's no gain in it for anyone, only loss.
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Gloominary wrote: Fri May 01, 2020 12:14 pm
Sculptor wrote: Sun Apr 26, 2020 6:03 pm FFS.
It's the actual number of cases per day stupid.
No health service is capable of handling the numbers without a fucking lockdown.
Covid might not be massively fatal. But it is very virulent, incapacitating and massively INFECTIOUS.
96% survive, but that number is achievable BECAUSE the health service is able to supply CARE.
You you let the thing run without precautions the number of cases exceed the capacity of hospitals, respirators, and other facilities needed to achieve 96% success in treatment.
Simply for you drongos out there.
If too many people get infected at one time, then the success rate drops and a lot more people die.
This is the lesson learned from state to state during Spanish flu. States that took precautions had much lower death rates.
Their hospitalization per infection rate is as fraudulent as their mortality per infection rate.
Hospitals aren't much more overwhelmed this year than last, and to the degree they are, it's due to a growing and aging population, not Covid.
Complete nonsense, made up on the spot.
Every country on earth where there is a case is practicing some kind of mitigation.
In my own local hospital they have added beds to accommodate the 300 extra cases. At the same time many people are staying away since elective surgeries have been postponed.
To properly understand the infection to have to look at New York and imagine what would happen if that example were repeated in other states, where the infection has been slowed down due to the measures that have been taken.
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Gary Childress wrote: Fri May 01, 2020 5:09 pm
Gloominary wrote: Fri May 01, 2020 12:25 pm
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Wed Apr 29, 2020 8:21 pm So some conspiracytard crap then. I suppose the clue was the three stooges singing its praises :roll:

https://theprepared.com/blog/dr-erickso ... sly-wrong/

This points out the 'osteopath's' contradictions and absurdities so naturally none of you clowns will bother reading it :lol: :lol:
Did you know the US government spread disinformation about the situation in Nam to justify war against Vietnam?
That's now mainstream history, not revisionism, and that's just one example among thousands of how the governments conspire against the people.
For many decades, the tobacco companies manipulated science to make it look like smoking tobacco was good for you.
If you dismiss conspiracy theories just because they're conspiracy theories, you're a victim of disinformation.
Yes, governments do bad things at times. They also provide services to their people when they're not diabolically scheming to take over the world. I don't know why anyone would be lying about this virus. What is there to gain from it? The wealthy don't want to see the economy wrecked and neither do average working people. There's nothing anyone would gain from it. Some people are saying it's to "control the population". Control for what purpose? What end? There's no gain in it for anyone, only loss.
It's not just government, everything is corruptible, academia, media, businesses, charities, with or without government, they're corruptible.

Does the Chinese government want democracy and rights for its citizens?
No, they want dictatorship and a short list of privileges that can be taken away at the drop of a hat.
Do Chinese corporations want good conditions and wages for their workers?
No, and neither do our corporations, which's why they shipped much of our manufacturing to the 3rd world, because they like cheap and slave labor, it's also why millions of blue collar and illegal immigrants are allowed to flood our countries under the guise of humanitarianism.
Every right we have, both positive rights, like the right to better pay, healthcare, a shorter workweek, and negative rights, like the right to a free and fair trial, not to be detained, not to be taxed without representation, we've had to fight for.
If you think it's in the best interests of the elite for us to have democracy and lots of rights, think again.
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Additionally, big business will have an easier time weathering this storm than small businesses, allowing big business to further consolidate the economy.
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Sculptor wrote: Fri May 01, 2020 8:46 pm
Gloominary wrote: Fri May 01, 2020 12:14 pm
Sculptor wrote: Sun Apr 26, 2020 6:03 pm FFS.
It's the actual number of cases per day stupid.
No health service is capable of handling the numbers without a fucking lockdown.
Covid might not be massively fatal. But it is very virulent, incapacitating and massively INFECTIOUS.
96% survive, but that number is achievable BECAUSE the health service is able to supply CARE.
You you let the thing run without precautions the number of cases exceed the capacity of hospitals, respirators, and other facilities needed to achieve 96% success in treatment.
Simply for you drongos out there.
If too many people get infected at one time, then the success rate drops and a lot more people die.
This is the lesson learned from state to state during Spanish flu. States that took precautions had much lower death rates.
Their hospitalization per infection rate is as fraudulent as their mortality per infection rate.
Hospitals aren't much more overwhelmed this year than last, and to the degree they are, it's due to a growing and aging population, not Covid.
Complete nonsense, made up on the spot.
Every country on earth where there is a case is practicing some kind of mitigation.
In my own local hospital they have added beds to accommodate the 300 extra cases. At the same time many people are staying away since elective surgeries have been postponed.
To properly understand the infection to have to look at New York and imagine what would happen if that example were repeated in other states, where the infection has been slowed down due to the measures that have been taken.
The vast majority of hospitals across the US are underwhelmed, with a few exceptions like New York and New Jersey.
There's no data showing hospitals would've been overwhelmed had the US not shut down, just empty models, which've wildly missed the mark time after time.
It's not like New York and New Jersey remained unlocked while the rest of the country locked down.
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FFS.
It's the actual number of cases per day stupid.
No health service is capable of handling the numbers without a fucking lockdown.
Sweden and Taiwan are managing without a lockdown.
Covid might not be massively fatal. But it is very virulent, incapacitating and massively INFECTIOUS.
96% survive, but that number is achievable BECAUSE the health service is able to supply CARE.
No more like 99.92% survive, for about 60 million Americans already have been infected with Covid, which's 60 times more than big brother and MSM would have us believe.

The vast, overwhelming majority of infected are asymptomatic, and mildly symptomatic.
You you let the thing run without precautions the number of cases exceed the capacity of hospitals, respirators, and other facilities needed to achieve 96% success in treatment.
You're just uncritically repeating things you heard from the MSM.
Simply for you drongos out there.
If too many people get infected at one time, then the success rate drops and a lot more people die.
This is the lesson learned from state to state during Spanish flu. States that took precautions had much lower death rates.
Tens of millions of Americans already have been infected with Covid, did you not watch the video I posted?
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Gloominary wrote: Fri May 01, 2020 9:10 pm
Gary Childress wrote: Fri May 01, 2020 5:09 pm
Gloominary wrote: Fri May 01, 2020 12:25 pm
Did you know the US government spread disinformation about the situation in Nam to justify war against Vietnam?
That's now mainstream history, not revisionism, and that's just one example among thousands of how the governments conspire against the people.
For many decades, the tobacco companies manipulated science to make it look like smoking tobacco was good for you.
If you dismiss conspiracy theories just because they're conspiracy theories, you're a victim of disinformation.
Yes, governments do bad things at times. They also provide services to their people when they're not diabolically scheming to take over the world. I don't know why anyone would be lying about this virus. What is there to gain from it? The wealthy don't want to see the economy wrecked and neither do average working people. There's nothing anyone would gain from it. Some people are saying it's to "control the population". Control for what purpose? What end? There's no gain in it for anyone, only loss.
It's not just government, everything is corruptible, academia, media, businesses, charities, with or without government, they're corruptible.

Does the Chinese government want democracy and rights for its citizens?
No, they want dictatorship and a short list of privileges that can be taken away at the drop of a hat.
Do Chinese corporations want good conditions and wages for their workers?
No, and neither do our corporations, which's why they shipped much of our manufacturing to the 3rd world, because they like cheap and slave labor, it's also why millions of blue collar and illegal immigrants are allowed to flood our countries under the guise of humanitarianism.
Every right we have, both positive rights, like the right to better pay, healthcare, a shorter workweek, and negative rights, like the right to a free and fair trial, not to be detained, not to be taxed without representation, we've had to fight for.
If you think it's in the best interests of the elite for us to have democracy and lots of rights, think again.
Gloominary wrote: Sat May 02, 2020 3:29 am Additionally, big business will have an easier time weathering this storm than small businesses, allowing big business to further consolidate the economy.
So are you saying the CDC and WHO are conspiring with big business to further consolidate big business's control over the economy? I find that hard to believe.

Do you distrust all authorities about everything? Are climate scientists corrupt? Is global warming a conspiracy to control people also? Are vaccines actually harmful? Distrust of all authority about everything is crazy and dysfunctional. To say that all our highest authorities on Earth are against us is an utterly hopeless and depressing view of the world and literally creates nothing but problems for everyone because the two are seen to be in perpetual conflict with each other and everyone must either be on the side of authority or else the laity.
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Gary Childress wrote: Sat May 02, 2020 7:11 am
Gloominary wrote: Fri May 01, 2020 9:10 pm
Gary Childress wrote: Fri May 01, 2020 5:09 pm

Yes, governments do bad things at times. They also provide services to their people when they're not diabolically scheming to take over the world. I don't know why anyone would be lying about this virus. What is there to gain from it? The wealthy don't want to see the economy wrecked and neither do average working people. There's nothing anyone would gain from it. Some people are saying it's to "control the population". Control for what purpose? What end? There's no gain in it for anyone, only loss.
It's not just government, everything is corruptible, academia, media, businesses, charities, with or without government, they're corruptible.

Does the Chinese government want democracy and rights for its citizens?
No, they want dictatorship and a short list of privileges that can be taken away at the drop of a hat.
Do Chinese corporations want good conditions and wages for their workers?
No, and neither do our corporations, which's why they shipped much of our manufacturing to the 3rd world, because they like cheap and slave labor, it's also why millions of blue collar and illegal immigrants are allowed to flood our countries under the guise of humanitarianism.
Every right we have, both positive rights, like the right to better pay, healthcare, a shorter workweek, and negative rights, like the right to a free and fair trial, not to be detained, not to be taxed without representation, we've had to fight for.
If you think it's in the best interests of the elite for us to have democracy and lots of rights, think again.
So are you saying the CDC and WHO are conspiring with big business to further consolidate big business's control over the economy? I find that hard to believe. Do you distrust all authorities about everything? Are climate scientists corrupt? Is global warming a conspiracy to control people also? Are vaccines actually harmful? This is crazy, and an utterly depressing view of the world, like Manichaeism or something. We may as well all slit our wrists now if everything is corrupt.
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