Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 4:41 am
Age wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 12:38 pm
OKAY. I am so stupid. Now that that is finally settled let us proceed and see if we can make any progress, this time?
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 6:54 amYou jumped to conclusion on what the Quran represents without reading or having any reasonable idea of what the Quran is.
And what are you making that assumption and basing that belief on exactly?
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 6:54 amThe Quran contains 112 Chapters, 6236 verses, 77,449 words [with some disputed variations].
Literally and explicitly, 3400++ or 54% of the verses contained very
contemptuous &
evil elements against the non-Muslims [kafir, etc.].
I have already informed you of how those words and verses are not evil at all. The only evil anywhere here is just in your own misinterpretations.
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 6:54 amRead the Quran fully and count these verses yourself.
Counting the number of words or verses does not illustrate evil or good in the words and verses.
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 6:54 amThere are less that 20++ verses that are 'positive' to the non-Muslims and these are abrogated by the later Medinian verses.
Once again I will tell you that it does not matter if there is one or every word you are talking about here. What matters is the interpretation, or in the majority of cases the misinterpretation, of what is actually meant by the words and verses used. That is all that truly matters here.
And the meaning and intent behind all of the words and verses written in the quran is about love and peace, which can be clearly seen, evidenced, and proven. But this of course is all dependent upon the reader them self.
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 6:54 amWhatever other verses that contain 'good' [moral] elements, they are only applicable to Muslims never to non-Muslims.
You keep forgetting that the evil you "see" is just because of the mis/interpretation that you are putting on the actual words used.
Human beings can be all to easily and simply fooled to "see" things, which are not even there.
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Apr 29, 2020 6:54 amBased on this basis alone, how can you claim the Quran is, "quite explicit in love and peace."
Prove to me I am wrong on the above.
Well that is very easy. Either you:
1. Read what I already informed you before in regards to how it is from wrong interpretations you see wrong or evil intent in the quran,which is not even there.
2. Tell me exactly what is needed to prove to you that the reason you see evil in the quran is because of your own misinterpretation.
I have already informed you of how you are wrong all the other times I explained to you what 'muslims'and 'non muslims' exactly are. But as you will prove you still have not even be able to understand this.
2. Tell me exactly what is needed to prove to you that the reason you see evil in the quran is because of your own misinterpretation.
You have never claimed to have read the Quran fully and thoroughly nor have you done any reasonable research of the Quran's 6236 verses.
Yes you are correct I have never claimed anything as stupid as you say here.
Reading something "fully and thoroughly" never means that one is doing any reasonable research at all. As I keep informing you absolutely every thing is relative to the observer. So, this means that no matter how many times you read some thing "fully and thoroughly" you will never obtain the true meaning and intention behind the writings from the author's perspective, if you are holding a preconception, exactly like you are here.
What you call a "reasonable research" is the most twisted and distorted thinking possible.
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 4:41 am
I ask again;
Confirm how many times have you read the whole of the Quran.
I will clarify again, NONE.
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 4:41 am
What is your approach in reading the Quran thoroughly?
The approach I use is with the eyes.
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 4:41 am
What sort of research have you done on the Quran's 6236 verses?
Looking OPENLY.
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Thu Apr 30, 2020 4:41 am
Don't beat around the bush, just give me the simple and direct answers.
I have, ONCE AGAIN.
Now, you will continue to do what you have continually done since your arrival in this forum. That is; express your own beliefs as though they are absolutely true, right, and correct, and you will do this from your absolutely closed and blind perspective of things.
I have already informed you of what a 'muslim' is and what a 'non-muslim' is, from my perspective, and how the quran is related to love and peace. But, because of your very closed biased, separatist, and evil views, and intentions, you will continue to only see and believe what you do now.
What the author's True intention and meaning behind any writing only the author KNOWS. If the author/speaker is not able to clearly clarify what they, them self, meant by any word they have used, then any so called "reasonable research" is just an 'interpretation' only, which obviously could be absolutely contrary to the author's actual intent, meaning, and ideology.
So, the only thing 'you', 'i', and any one else can do is just express our own perceived interpretation, based on the actual Truth that what we are expressing could be completely and utterly wrong or right or absolutely anywhere in between.
Once you understand this Truth, then you hopefully will start seeing things far clearer than you are now.