There are at least two times

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There are at least two times

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Time is subjected to change. Any change requires time. This is a regress unless there are at least two times each time sustain another one. 1 sustains 2 and 2 sustains 1.
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bahman wrote: Fri Apr 10, 2020 9:05 pm Time is subjected to change. Any change requires time. This is a regress unless there are at least two times each time sustain another one. 1 sustains 2 and 2 sustains 1.
Software engineers are accustomed to thinking in 2nd order time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_time
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_(Uni ... ystem_time
https://engineering.purdue.edu/ECN/Supp ... SystemTime
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Skepdick wrote: Fri Apr 10, 2020 9:56 pm
bahman wrote: Fri Apr 10, 2020 9:05 pm Time is subjected to change. Any change requires time. This is a regress unless there are at least two times each time sustain another one. 1 sustains 2 and 2 sustains 1.
Software engineers are accustomed to thinking in 2nd order time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_time
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_(Uni ... ystem_time
https://engineering.purdue.edu/ECN/Supp ... SystemTime
That is conventional time. I am talking about physical times.
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bahman wrote: Sat Apr 11, 2020 9:34 pm That is conventional time. I am talking about physical times.
What's the difference?
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Skepdick wrote: Sat Apr 11, 2020 11:10 pm
bahman wrote: Sat Apr 11, 2020 9:34 pm That is conventional time. I am talking about physical times.
What's the difference?
I think your time refers to the convention made by human about the passage of physical time. Physical time requires for any physical change though.
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bahman wrote: Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:22 pm I think your time refers to the convention made by human about the passage of physical time. Physical time requires for any physical change though.
It doesn't matter. Talking about change in the language of mathematics leads to discussing calculus and continuities and you have yourself a digital-or-discrete dualism on your hands.

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bahman wrote: Fri Apr 10, 2020 9:05 pm Time is subjected to change. Any change requires time. This is a regress unless there are at least two times each time sustain another one. 1 sustains 2 and 2 sustains 1.
There is only one time: now. The past is a memory. The future is an expectation. Change happens now.
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commonsense wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2020 9:18 pm
bahman wrote: Fri Apr 10, 2020 9:05 pm Time is subjected to change. Any change requires time. This is a regress unless there are at least two times each time sustain another one. 1 sustains 2 and 2 sustains 1.
There is only one time: now. The past is a memory. The future is an expectation. Change happens now.
Change cannot happen at one point. Think of a change, X to Y. X and Y must lay on two different points one comes another one. This means that we are dealing with variable so-called time.
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bahman wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2020 9:30 pm
commonsense wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2020 9:18 pm
bahman wrote: Fri Apr 10, 2020 9:05 pm Time is subjected to change. Any change requires time. This is a regress unless there are at least two times each time sustain another one. 1 sustains 2 and 2 sustains 1.
There is only one time: now. The past is a memory. The future is an expectation. Change happens now.
Change cannot happen at one point. Think of a change, X to Y. X and Y must lay on two different points one comes another one. This means that we are dealing with variable so-called time.
Yes, time is so-called; it is a human concept, a human construct, not a real thing. What we’re dealing with is variable space.
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commonsense wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2020 9:37 pm
bahman wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2020 9:30 pm
commonsense wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2020 9:18 pm

There is only one time: now. The past is a memory. The future is an expectation. Change happens now.
Change cannot happen at one point. Think of a change, X to Y. X and Y must lay on two different points one comes another one. This means that we are dealing with variable so-called time.
Yes, time is so-called; it is a human concept, a human construct, not a real thing. What we’re dealing with is variable space.
No. Time according to general relativity is a substance. It bents.
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commonsense wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2020 9:37 pm
bahman wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2020 9:30 pm
commonsense wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2020 9:18 pm

There is only one time: now. The past is a memory. The future is an expectation. Change happens now.
Change cannot happen at one point. Think of a change, X to Y. X and Y must lay on two different points one comes another one. This means that we are dealing with variable so-called time.
Yes, time is so-called; it is a human concept, a human construct, not a real thing. What we’re dealing with is variable space.
No. Time according to general relativity is a substance. It bents.
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There are not two times. The mistake is to imagine change and the things that change are truly real. This leads us to reify time and space.
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There is at most one time, per reasons already given.
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There is a progression that goes next to next to next...........................

Time is a function. It goes from the current state to the next state to the next state ......... and on and on.

There are many times.

Time never reverses.
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