Capitalism has deessenced

[TheVisionofEr]

People insist on viewing the world movement in empty Political polemical jargons of public talk and journalism.

The poitocal is closer to the stone of granite with the name nessesity on it. Nessesity is understood either politicly or thoughtfully.

Capitalism thoughtfully understood is identical to Socialism. The struggle over the value of a happy life provided by labour as the myth or propaganda of collective, long bread into the global population, of matterialism. Of manipulation of the material by main force towards mythical happiness or fulfilled progress/salvation.

The two speak of individual creative unfolding. Communism emphasises the variagted universal man, who chooses different activities throughout the day (Marx/Hayek) Capitalism specialization and intensity. Beside this the no longer existing Bohimian or artist, now subsumed by materialism and its mesianic atmospheres in an "art world" of monatized politics.

The basic propaganda of the metaphysical settlement, Rosensweig and Heidegger (forces beyond the settlement), remain tearing at the label of metaphysics which holds the myth of the two orthidoxies Capitalism/Socialism in their long terminus I'm which we all make our homes.

[henry quirk]

Free Enterprise.

[artisticsolution]

Free Enterprise.

At any cost?

[henry quirk]

Free Enterprise.

At any cost?

That's your call.

You get to decide what you want & what you're willin' to do to get it.

That, in part, is what it means to be free, and it's at the heart of Free Enterprise.

(State) Socialism robs you of choice. (State) Capitalism attempts to direct your choosing.

With Free Enterprise: it's all on you.

[TheVisionofEr]

Free Enterprise.

At any cost?

That's your call.

You get to decide what you want & what you're willin' to do to get it.

That, in part, is what it means to be free, and it's at the heart of Free Enterprise.

(State) Socialism robs you of choice. (State) Capitalism attempts to direct your choosing.

With Free Enterprise: it's all on you.

Fantasy. And irrelivent to the post.

[henry quirk]

At any cost?

That's your call.

You get to decide what you want & what you're willin' to do to get it.

That, in part, is what it means to be free, and it's at the heart of Free Enterprise.

(State) Socialism robs you of choice. (State) Capitalism attempts to direct your choosing.

With Free Enterprise: it's all on you.

Fantasy. And irrelivent to the post.

sez you

[artisticsolution]

Free Enterprise.

At any cost?

That's your call.

You get to decide what you want & what you're willin' to do to get it.
That's my point...what are you willing to give up for capitalism? Are you willing to give all your power to the ultra rich? What if they intend to use you as a tool/pawn. Where is the "freedom" when they brainwash you into making them even richer and more powerful?


That, in part, is what it means to be free, and it's at the heart of Free Enterprise.

(State) Socialism robs you of choice. (State) Capitalism attempts to direct your choosing.

Why does it have to be all or nothing? Why can't it be capitalism tempered with socialism so that the mentality, "there can only be one" can't prevail like in an dystopian episode of Higlander? You have socialism in our society now as a safety net...and it works to maintain somewhat of a balance of freedom.

We have socialism through government laws and police in place to make sure laws are followed for the good of the public. Unbridled capitalism would make laws only favor those in power. How is that conducive to your freedom?
We have socialism in government through social security, Medicare and medicade to make sure aging and disabled people (i.e. those who have little power), have food and shelter. Unbridledcapitalism would take those safety nets away leaving the way for mass poverty . How is that conducive to "freedom"?
With Free Enterprise: it's all on you.
No, it's not. Dont you see the pattern of unbridled capitalism raping the wages and freedom of choice for the majority of society? The ultra wealthy have systematically put laws in place to make them richer and more powerful with each passing decade. The gap between the average person and the few who are rich in the world has never been more disproportionate. And with each tip of the scale for the rich freedom is taken from the poor/middle class.

[henry quirk]

what are you willing to give up for capitalism?

I've already given up the only thing a person has to give up when embracing capitalism, that bein' dependency.


Are you willing to give all your power to the ultra rich?

Nope. Why would I do such a thing? Doin' that is as stupid as givin' all my power to the majority or the state, or the church. And: I see nuthin' inherent in free enterprise, capitalism, or even state capitalism that naturally leads to such a thing.


What if they intend to use you as a tool/pawn.

So what if they do? Their intent is not synonymous with me submitting.


Where is the "freedom" when they brainwash you into making them even richer and more powerful?

Explain this all-powerful, utterly unbeatable brainwashing method to me. I don't believe such a thing exists.


Why does it have to be all or nothing?

Cuz fundamentally we're talkin' about freedom here. Free Enterprise (or capitalism, or even state capitalism) is the natural outgrowth of free individuals interacting, so a moderated capitalism really is about moderated people, un-free people.

As I see there's no such thing as partially free: you're your own or you're someone else's. There's no middle ground.


Why can't it be capitalism tempered with socialism

Fire & water.


You have socialism in our society now as a safety net

A piss poor safety net. Charities work better, target better, are more responsible across the board, and -- this is important -- only involve those who choose to be involved.


We have socialism through government laws and police in place to make sure laws are followed for the good of the public

We have thousands of unnecessary laws, police who've been transformed from public servants into quasi-military bullies, and a nebulous public good elevated at the expense of the very real free individual, and socialism is responsible.


Unbridled capitalism would make laws only favor those in power.

You moderate the capitalist by minimizin' the mechanism he uses (government), not by banning the capitalist and swelling the government (which is exactly what happens with socialism).


We have socialism in government through social security, Medicare and medicade to make sure aging and disabled people (i.e. those who have little power), have food and shelter.

Bad ideas, all: get thee to a charity.


Dont you see the pattern of unbridled capitalism raping the wages and freedom of choice for the majority of society?

No, I don't. What I see are nations and peoples ground up by socialism and communism.


The ultra wealthy have systematically put laws in place to make them richer and more powerful with each passing decade.

If this is the case: minimize government, remove the means by which they skew things in their favor. After that: let nature take its course.

[Immanuel Can]

What if they intend to use you as a tool/pawn.

So what if they do? Their intent is not synonymous with me submitting.

There was an old joke that went around, back in the days of the Cold War.

Question: "What's the difference between Capitalism and Communism?"

Answer: "Well, under Capitalism, man exploits man. And under Communism, it's the other way around."

There's a heck of a lot of truth in that joke.

[henry quirk]

What if they intend to use you as a tool/pawn.

So what if they do? Their intent is not synonymous with me submitting.

There was an old joke that went around, back in the days of the Cold War.

Question: "What's the difference between Capitalism and Communism?"

Answer: "Well, under Capitalism, man exploits man. And under Communism, it's the other way around."

There's a heck of a lot of truth in that joke.

Indeed. Here's the real difference...

Capitalism: men exploit one another with the best tools each can buy.

Communism: some men exploit other men using the best tools the exploited can buy.

[TheVisionofEr]

What if they intend to use you as a tool/pawn.

So what if they do? Their intent is not synonymous with me submitting.

There was an old joke that went around, back in the days of the Cold War.

Question: "What's the difference between Capitalism and Communism?"

Answer: "Well, under Capitalism, man exploits man. And under Communism, it's the other way around."

There's a heck of a lot of truth in that joke.

The whole discussion is politacal propoganda baby talk. The serious issue is that both views are materialist views. That all human good is due to labour. Both are Liberal individualist programs robbing human beings of all freedom by placing them under State dominant integrative propoganda. Both atomize the population into minorities of one in order to integrate under a collective myth, that of nessisary material progress towards happiness or comfort. The Integration comes through the party propoganda membership as the "Henry" bot posts show the resentful or weaker side of the pair, or, the sorounded militant rightest minority which is defined wholly within the dominate leftist myth as it's anchor or the revenge against it. Both are pathetic unthinking masses. Masses, something wholly new on the earth. Isolated beings, with only party membership to obstruct the full power of the propoganda. No stable world, as of membership to guild or church. The small churche themselves succumbed to propoganda methods of manipulation rather than small group links and real cmuminity.

[henry quirk]

[Immanuel Can]

Indeed. Here's the real difference...

Capitalism: men exploit one another with the best tools each can buy.

Communism: some men exploit other men using the best tools the exploited can buy.

That IS better.