Form is Binding Space

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Form is Binding Space

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All movement in time is dependent upon a form which exists above time. For example a car driving in a circle requires the circle, as the summation of the car's movements within a given time zone, to literally glue the car's movements together. Form is space which binds reality.

Form is the glue of being derived from point space, all phenomenon are the expansion and contraction of a point with the point representing the height of pure form in one respect, pure formlessness in another. The point is the underlying median which holds reality together.
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The point is the underlying median which holds reality together.
It seems bizarre to put so much emphasis on a point. Human beings, spots of jelly, and leaves bunched at edges of oak branches, to name several things, don't naturally make one think of points. It seems like an artificial demand on us, to reduce to a make believe point.
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TheVisionofEr wrote: Thu Mar 05, 2020 3:14 am
The point is the underlying median which holds reality together.
It seems bizarre to put so much emphasis on a point. Human beings, spots of jelly, and leaves bunched at edges of oak branches, to name several things, don't naturally make one think of points. It seems like an artificial demand on us, to reduce to a make believe point.
The reduction of any shape results in angles and curves whose apex results in a single point.
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The reduction of any shape results in angles and curves whose apex results in a single point.
I don't see how that justifies the obsession with the subject matter of the so-called points.
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TheVisionofEr wrote: Fri Mar 06, 2020 8:35 pm
The reduction of any shape results in angles and curves whose apex results in a single point.
I don't see how that justifies the obsession with the subject matter of the so-called points.
Because analysis, no matter how deep, results in the same phenomena.

All physical objects can be reduced to point particles forming shapes.

All abstractions can be reduced to intrinsically empty points of view, as assumptions, which are taken strictly "as is" with no thought behind them.

The empty formless nature of the point is both empirical and abstract.
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Everything is in constant motion and that includes space, time , matter, and energy. I don't think anything is static to even measure a fixed point.

Wouldn't fractals be the best method of simulating reality?

Don't patterns govern how the universe works?

Gravity creates order.

If our existence was static then we would have solid frames of reference. But we live in a world where spacetime is an emergent property. Accretion makes matter and form.
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osgart wrote: Sat Mar 07, 2020 7:05 am Everything is in constant motion and that includes space, time , matter, and energy. I don't think anything is static to even measure a fixed point.

Wouldn't fractals be the best method of simulating reality?

Yes, but a series of fractals still converges and diverges from a point. All objects at a distance are reduced to a point, all objects up close as composed of point particles are composed of points.

All phenomena are derived from converging and diverging points.


Don't patterns govern how the universe works?

Gravity creates order.

If our existence was static then we would have solid frames of reference. But we live in a world where spacetime is an emergent property. Accretion makes matter and form.

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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Mar 07, 2020 3:53 am
TheVisionofEr wrote: Fri Mar 06, 2020 8:35 pm
The reduction of any shape results in angles and curves whose apex results in a single point.
I don't see how that justifies the obsession with the subject matter of the so-called points.
Because analysis, no matter how deep, results in the same phenomena.

All physical objects can be reduced to point particles forming shapes.

All abstractions can be reduced to intrinsically empty points of view, as assumptions, which are taken strictly "as is" with no thought behind them.

The empty formless nature of the point is both empirical and abstract.
Why is a point "formless" and "empty?" It seems as much something as anything else to me.
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TheVisionofEr wrote: Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:53 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Mar 07, 2020 3:53 am
TheVisionofEr wrote: Fri Mar 06, 2020 8:35 pm

I don't see how that justifies the obsession with the subject matter of the so-called points.
Because analysis, no matter how deep, results in the same phenomena.

All physical objects can be reduced to point particles forming shapes.

All abstractions can be reduced to intrinsically empty points of view, as assumptions, which are taken strictly "as is" with no thought behind them.

The empty formless nature of the point is both empirical and abstract.
Why is a point "formless" and "empty?" It seems as much something as anything else to me.
Take a single point, without a backdrop, and the point is a boundless field.
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:59 am
TheVisionofEr wrote: Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:53 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Sat Mar 07, 2020 3:53 am
Because analysis, no matter how deep, results in the same phenomena.

All physical objects can be reduced to point particles forming shapes.

All abstractions can be reduced to intrinsically empty points of view, as assumptions, which are taken strictly "as is" with no thought behind them.

The empty formless nature of the point is both empirical and abstract.
Why is a point "formless" and "empty?" It seems as much something as anything else to me.
Take a single point, without a backdrop, and the point is a boundless field.
OK. What follows from that? The form of the boundless and utterly vague.

You know, usually people think of points as having no dimension. As in Euclid and the old Pythagoreans.
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TheVisionofEr wrote: Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:03 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:59 am
TheVisionofEr wrote: Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:53 am

Why is a point "formless" and "empty?" It seems as much something as anything else to me.
Take a single point, without a backdrop, and the point is a boundless field.
OK. What follows from that? The form of the boundless and utterly vague.

You know, usually people think of points as having no dimension. As in Euclid and the old Pythagoreans.
A boundless field has no dimension.

Take a single point.
Against a backdrop of another color it exists as a single dot.
Take the backdrop away and you have a boundless field.

Both are without dimension,

It is the division of a point into another point, through the line, in which form begins.
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Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:05 am
TheVisionofEr wrote: Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:03 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:59 am

Take a single point, without a backdrop, and the point is a boundless field.
OK. What follows from that? The form of the boundless and utterly vague.

You know, usually people think of points as having no dimension. As in Euclid and the old Pythagoreans.
A boundless field has no dimension.

Take a single point.
Against a backdrop of another color it exists as a single dot.
Take the backdrop away and you have a boundless field.

Both are without dimension,

It is the division of a point into another point, through the line, in which form begins.
I would say, thought that way, the point would have an exact dimension. That of one point.

That's not, however, the usual manner of thinking of points in the tradition so far as I understand it. They are thought as belonging only to the mind and having no dimension. The line is the connection of two points and has one dimension as in the book of L F Richardson on the beauty of one-dimensional fractals.
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TheVisionofEr wrote: Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:09 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:05 am
TheVisionofEr wrote: Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:03 am

OK. What follows from that? The form of the boundless and utterly vague.

You know, usually people think of points as having no dimension. As in Euclid and the old Pythagoreans.
A boundless field has no dimension.

Take a single point.
Against a backdrop of another color it exists as a single dot.
Take the backdrop away and you have a boundless field.

Both are without dimension,

It is the division of a point into another point, through the line, in which form begins.
I would say, thought that way, the point would have an exact dimension. That of one point.

Then a theoretical one dimensional point exists.

A single point is formless.


That's not, however, the usual manner of thinking of points in the tradition so far as I understand it. They are thought as belonging only to the mind and having no dimension.
A point is spatial, space is beyond a priori and a posteriori

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The line is the connection of two points and has one dimension as in the book of L F Richardson on the beauty of one-dimensional fractals.
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Then a theoretical one dimensional point exists.
No. That would be a point existing for the eyes. And not one dimensional. But one point thick, and one point long. And, I suppose, one point tall as well, possibly.

A point with no dimension is intelligible somehow, but can't exist for the eyes or touch.
A single point is formless.
If formless means without dimension, that could only be true in the mind for an intelligible notion which, however, is not genuinely imaginable.
A point is spatial, space is beyond a priori and a posteriori
That's to posit a space beyond the senses. Or, that space includes something only for our intelligence. This may be true, but it still excludes points from the region of the eyes alone.
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