Extinction Rebellion

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Re: Extinction Rebellion

Post by henry quirk » Wed Feb 12, 2020 5:34 pm

uwot wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 5:23 pm
henry quirk wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:46 pm
The climate changes. This is natural and normal. Man ain't causin' diddly.
The point is, can we do diddly?
plant trees, be mindful of emissions, leave economies alone

nuthin' else need be done

well, expand space programs: get up and out...infestin', er, colonizin' the system is sumthin' we oughta do too

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Re: Extinction Rebellion

Post by Immanuel Can » Wed Feb 12, 2020 5:58 pm

henry quirk wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 5:34 pm
nuthin' else need be done
Well, we need to consume less, personally...buy less junk, and buy quality stuff in quantities related to real needs, not manufactured pseudo-needs and consumerist anxiety.

We need to push harder for political reforms in the Developing World.

We need to assist the Developing World, through sustainable, grass-roots programs like microenterprise, instead of pouring foreign aid through corrupt governments.

We need to educate women in the Developing World, because educated women tend to have 2 or less children, solving the population crisis voluntarily.

At home, we need to stop all the symbolic gestures that actually increase pollution and environmental decline. So no more driving around trucks to pick up balloons of air, as in current "plastic recycling" programs. Don't make the balloons in the first place, instead. And no more electric cars that have huge carbon footprints and heavy metals in the batteries. Aim for hydrogen, perhaps, if we can solve the fuel-delivery issue. Or create another technology, if we can't.

We need to make advances in alternative technologies that do not pollute so much. Money needs to stop going into windmills, and into better solar, hydrogen and electric.

There's a lot we can do, but it has to be more than symbolic. It needs to be deliberate, scientifically sound, long-term sustainable and not economically suicidal.

All this we can do, rather than building the Starship Enterprise and going looking for Klingons...as cool as that might be. :wink:

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Re: Extinction Rebellion

Post by henry quirk » Wed Feb 12, 2020 6:27 pm

Well, we need to consume less, personally...buy less junk, and buy quality stuff in quantities related to real needs, not manufactured pseudo-needs and consumerist anxiety.

sure...don't need to wreck economies to do that


We need to push harder for political reforms in the Developing World.

sure...economy buildin'


We need to assist the Developing World, through sustainable, grass-roots programs like microenterprise, instead of pouring foreign aid through corrupt governments.

sure...economy buildin'


We need to educate women in the Developing World, because educated women tend to have 2 or less children, solving the population crisis voluntarily.

sure...economy buildin'


At home, we need to stop all the symbolic gestures that actually increase pollution and environmental decline. So no more driving around trucks to pick up balloons of air, as in current "plastic recycling" programs. Don't make the balloons in the first place, instead. And no more electric cars that have huge carbon footprints and heavy metals in the batteries. Aim for hydrogen, perhaps, if we can solve the fuel-delivery issue. Or create another technology, if we can't.

sure...win the right elections, stop payin' attention to nimrods


We need to make advances in alternative technologies that do not pollute so much. Money needs to stop going into windmills, and into better solar, hydrogen and electric.

sure...buildin' economies


There's a lot we can do, but it has to be more than symbolic. It needs to be deliberate, scientifically sound, long-term sustainable and not economically suicidal.

sure...buidin' economies


All this we can do, rather than building the Starship Enterprise and going looking for Klingons...as cool as that might be. :wink:

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Re: Extinction Rebellion

Post by Immanuel Can » Wed Feb 12, 2020 6:46 pm

henry quirk wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 6:27 pm
All this we can do, rather than building the Starship Enterprise and going looking for Klingons...as cool as that might be. :wink:

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Aw, darn. I was thinking it was my best quip. :cry:

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Re: Extinction Rebellion

Post by henry quirk » Wed Feb 12, 2020 6:48 pm

Immanuel Can wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 6:46 pm
henry quirk wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 6:27 pm
All this we can do, rather than building the Starship Enterprise and going looking for Klingons...as cool as that might be. :wink:

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Aw, darn. I was thinking it was my best quip. :cry:
The general lack of interest in space programs irks me...you poked without ill intent...my apologies

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Re: Extinction Rebellion

Post by Immanuel Can » Wed Feb 12, 2020 6:51 pm

henry quirk wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 6:48 pm
The general lack of interest in space programs irks me...you poked without ill intent...my apologies
:D I'm just kidding.

I was just thinking that space colonization is pretty exotic as a solution to pollution on Earth. We might need some more proximal solutions first, and at the very least, a habitable planet out there somewhere, if we went for that option. If there isn't one -- or one we can find -- then space isn't going to help us much.

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Re: Extinction Rebellion

Post by henry quirk » Wed Feb 12, 2020 6:55 pm

I was just thinking that space colonization is pretty exotic as a solution to pollution on Earth. We might need some more proximal solutions first, and at the very least, a habitable planet out there somewhere, if we went for that option. If there isn't one -- or one we can find -- then space isn't going to help us much.

Resources, vast resources are one damn good reason to get up and out.

There are others but -- meh -- I'm not in a preachy mood.

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Re: Extinction Rebellion

Post by Impenitent » Wed Feb 12, 2020 11:44 pm

does everyone with a keyboard promote intragalactic intoxication?

-Imp

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Re: Extinction Rebellion

Post by henry quirk » Thu Feb 13, 2020 12:46 am

Impenitent wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 11:44 pm
does everyone with a keyboard promote intragalactic intoxication?

-Imp
me, I'm only interested in Sol System Exploitation

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Re: Extinction Rebellion

Post by Dubious » Tue Feb 18, 2020 2:00 am

Impenitent wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 11:44 pm
does everyone with a keyboard promote intragalactic intoxication?

-Imp
A good bottle of booze is better for that purpose; also it's advisable to keep away from keyboards during that period. You may piss off an alien!

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Re: Extinction Rebellion

Post by Impenitent » Tue Feb 18, 2020 4:54 am

Dubious wrote:
Tue Feb 18, 2020 2:00 am
Impenitent wrote:
Wed Feb 12, 2020 11:44 pm
does everyone with a keyboard promote intragalactic intoxication?

-Imp
A good bottle of booze is better for that purpose; also it's advisable to keep away from keyboards during that period. You may piss off an alien!
helpmehelpmemyspacebarisbroken

-Imp

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Re: Extinction Rebellion

Post by Dubious » Tue Feb 18, 2020 6:50 am

Youwon'ttravelfarwithoutaspacebar.....

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