Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2020 11:10 pm
gaffo wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2020 11:02 pm
I was just noting your view of nonchristians lacking morals from prior discussions.
I don't recall having put it that way, either.
that was my take a year ago. maybe i was wrong on my view of your view.
if so welcome clarification on the mater.
you view humanity as evil by default (so pagan never recieving the word are more evil and good by thier nature).
Pagan's a bit different from evil. Everybody's naturally drawn to do evil, as well as prompted by a live conscience to know good. But not everybody's pagan. That's a matter of belief, not morals.[/quote]
no understand of what you say above. I just think your view of man is evil my default.
mine the opposite and is by nature more good than bad, and if all followed their inner voice (conscience) would be good/saints (evil folks ignore/kill thier inner voice).
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2020 11:10 pm
the percentage - as i said many times before with you on this matter - is fixed
Probably right...if God is not taken into account, we'd all be pretty nasty.
dissagee fully Sir!!!!
due to you and me having differing views of the nature of man by default (you think its bad, i think it is good).
80/20. good over bad in canbalistic societies - same as in Christian ones.
dick/asshole percentage of 1/5 is the same in both cultures.
imo.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2020 11:10 pm
I'll take a good hearted canibal over a self reichtious christian!
Well, if they're looking to "self" to be "righteous," then you can be sure they're not Christians.
I understand your view - per Christian view, and thats ok.
and i agree that to assume "save myself via myself is an egotistical view. I just saying that ones character is more core to human nature than one Religion, and i do think New Guina canibals are as moral as Christians, so that means the moral canibals are not egoists, but instead have a humility per a vision of the world and where they fit in.
but again, here we differ, you have a darker view of man's nature (due to your view of the Fall) than i do.