ANOTHER TRANNY BASHING THREAD

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henry quirk
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There exists a choice:

* A society in which trannies are people, accepted as normal part of every day life - nobody bats an eyelid. It's such normal part of existence that we wouldn't even be having this discussion.

* A society in which trannies are insane, nutjobs who don't get to decide how to gender themselves. It's so outrageous for trannies to demand a new gender that we start 10+ threads on Philosophy forums to debate the issue.

There's another option (go read my posts).

And: no one, not a single person, said a damn thing about folks not gettin' to self-define.
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henry quirk wrote: Fri Feb 07, 2020 2:34 am And: no one, not a single person, said a damn thing about folks not gettin' to self-define.
You don't need to SAY it, Harry. You are DOING it.

By refusing to use somebody's preferred self-definition you are denying them their self-definition,

Do you get that, Harry?

When it's just some guy on a forum doing it - you can trivially ignore it and move on.

If everybody in your community and society started calling you "Harry", if your ID document says "Harry", and all of the people you do business with addressed you as "Harry" how long do you think it will take you before you accept your new identity?

It's exactly the same kind of hazing that happens in the military. The more you object - the more your nickname sticks.
henry quirk wrote: Fri Feb 07, 2020 2:34 am There's another option (go read my posts).
There is always another option, Harry. The point is whether, given all the options before you, you are choosing the option that causes no harm.

My question is whether there is ever a world in which you choose what's best for the tranny? Is there a world in which you would agree to calling Steven (now Suzan) a she, and accept it for what it is? Because that is the least harmful option.

And if you are incapable of reading between the lines, transpose that level of tolerance into your original scenario:

Is there ever a world where you go "Hmmm, I had a genuine human connection with this person. The dick is a bit of a surprise, but hey... never had a dick in my ass before, might as well try it?". No harm - no foul. You can always wrap up the conversation and go on your merry way.

And if you raise your usual objection of "I wish the tranny had told me earlier before wasting my time", then I am going to counter you with "Every woman you try to take home wishes you had told her earlier that all you are trying to do is fuck her." Had you been honest up front you wouldn't have wasted each other's time.
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Skepdick wrote:
If I had a better tool I would use it instead of language ( telepathy maybe ) but I dont have a better tool
Telepathy would be no more effective as you would still need to use language when you required clarification
Because what are you going to do when you cannot understand the thoughts in my head but ask me questions

Also language is a system that is constantly evolving so it is by default one that improves over time
And so the better tool that you require is actually the very same one that you are using right now
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Gary Childress wrote:
So you are communicating with telepathy if you use the word apple and a picture of what the word refers to pops into my head
This is a completely false definition of telepathy for no one other than yourself actually knows the content of your mind
Telepathy is the ability to accurately read someone elses mind with absolutely no clues provided as to what that may be
So using the word apple to create the mental image of an apple inside your mind is absolutely not telpathic by any definition
Now what would be telepathic and truly amazing is if he knew you were thinking of an apple without any clue at all from him
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Skepdick wrote:
As a constructivist - I can make any word mean anything I want it to mean
Yes you can but if that meaning is exclusive to you then it makes communication problematic
So this is why generally there is common consensus with regard to what words actually mean

But it is not a precise discipline because language is descriptive not prescriptive
And it will also contain ambiguity since that is a part of human thinking as well

Outside of mathematics or logic there is no such thing as perfect language
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Skepdick wrote:
You dont think its magic how a bunch of characters on a screen can turn into pictures emotions feelings and past memories
No because I have been doing this for so long now that I simply take it for granted so I just let my brain does what is perfectly natural
But it is not actually necessary to understand how something works in order to utilise it as those are two entirely separate disciplines
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Skepdick wrote:
A society in which trannies are people accepted as normal part of every day life
A society in which trannies are insane nutjobs who dont get to decide how to gender themselves

It is clear which choice is better for the trannies and which choice is the harmful to them
Yes but this is not a black and white binary position but one that exists on a spectrum with lots of shades of grey
For example some of society may accept them while some may not so where would that go in your binary system

When dealing with any aspect of human nature it is always on a spectrum because we are too complicated and messy to just be binary
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Skepdick wrote:
By refusing to use somebodys preferred self definition you are denying them their self definition
Yes but does this imply that one has no choice but to always accept such definitions regardless of what one thinks about them
Because surely one has as a matter principle the moral option to reject any definitions that they fundamentally disagree with
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My own position on this issue is that I will use the preferred nouns and pronouns as it does not impact upon me to do so
But I do not agree with the idea that one can change their physical sex but neither do I force this view on any one else

So I observe the debate from a detached position because that is the very best way to avoid dogmatism and gain knowledge
I no longer waste mental energy in determining what my view on every subject under the sun should be so I simply let it be

Dogma is the death of the intellect and so to be non dogmatic is to be as intellectually pure as it is possible to be
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"By refusing to use somebody's preferred self-definition you are denying them their self-definition."

Nope.

Joe can self-define as Josephine all he likes, that don't obligate me to agree with him.

Likewise, ain't nuthin' about my refusal to recognize Joe as Josephine obligates Joe to abandon his self-defintion.
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"My question is whether there is ever a world in which you choose what's best for the tranny? Is there a world in which you would agree to calling Steven (now Suzan) a she, and accept it for what it is? Because that is the least harmful option."

I don't think participatin' in, validatin', a disorder, a delusion, is best for the tranny. What's best for the tranny is probably some intensive cognitive therapy, but that's none of my business.

No, what I'll do is leave him be as I can, and defend my view as I must.
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I do not mind calling Joe Josephine as that is merely the name they have chosen for themselves
But I cannot accept that they are a woman for that requires more than a definition can provide
But as I already said I do not impose this on anyone so would never say it to her or anyone else
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I would not classify transgender as a delusion because one can never truly know what goes on in someone elses mind
To them changing their sex might be the most logical thing they have ever done so who am I to say they are deluded
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Everyone should have the freedom to do whatever they want as long as it does not impact upon anyone else
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surreptitious57 wrote: Fri Feb 07, 2020 4:11 pm I do not mind calling Joe Josephine as that is merely the name they have chosen for themselves
But I cannot accept that they are a woman for that requires more than a definition can provide
But as I already said I do not impose this on anyone so would never say it to her or anyone else
it's one thing when Johnny Cash sings about a boy named Sue, but it's another when a guy demands to be recognized as a girl. I'd prefer not to say diddly. Certainly I'm not stridin' up to any trannys, makin' a big to-do. I have, however, been on the receivin' end of tranny ire when I wouldn't recognize the guy's chosen pronouns (apparently, goin' out of your way to avoid the subject is offensive too).
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