Skepdick wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:07 am
The only reason theists are crazier than atheists is because they've simmered in their 'crazy-broth' for longer.
They are the same kind of crazy.
I don't know about that. I think we're all kinda crazy but I don't think it's necessarily the same kind of crazy. There are lots of contributing factors and varied intensities and manifestations.
Skepdick wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:07 am
If all roads lead to Rome, it sounds like determinism to me. So it shouldn't matter which way you go, but apparently Atheists think the Theists' way is wrong.
Well, (from my perspective) most theist stories/beliefs don't seem very logical or realistic, and it's strange that most theists identify so much that is "NOT-OF-GOD". But people do have a lot of odd practices and beliefs in life, all around the world and throughout history. Strange ideas, rituals, patterns, sects, wars, etc. Such things offer value for a lot of people, just as people who don't believe in such things find a lot of value NOT believing in it. So what's right or wrong about either? Kinda depends on results, I guess -- such as who people are as a result, and what they do with that.
All kinds of paths can be used as methods for attaining greater awareness and self-mastery. The stories around each path are to support that path. Some stories may seem more absurd than others. Depends on your perspective and investment, I guess.
Skepdick wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:07 am
Lacewing wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2020 2:20 am
So, any arguments on this forum that insist that spirituality and consciousness and wisdom and truth can only look a certain way, would be in error, yes?
Do you draw a distinction between positive and negative arguments? e.g arguments which claim that wisdom and truth can only look a certain way; versus arguments which claim that wisdom and truth can't possibly look THAT particular way?
Yes... well, sort of... not quite the way you phrased it.
I think the universe shows that all kinds of views are possible, and lots of things work. Seems to me, a universe of such diversity doesn't seem likely to have static rigidity and limitation except that which is created by humans. Rigidity and limitation enable people to control and define life (and others) in a way that suits them. Is that wrong or foolish? I guess it depends on your own experience.
My current/evolving understanding/experience works for me after growing up in the church, continually surrounded by religious teachings. I respect people to have whatever beliefs are helpful to them. At the same time, when anyone makes skewed and inaccurate claims on this forum (or anywhere else), it's fair game to challenge that to learn and see what's behind it.