uwot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 11:20 pm
Let's not. If you do not yet understand what underdeterminism means, we are going to have to start all over again.
I have no idea how to convince you that I understand the concept. I know what underdeterminism is. I also know what superdeterminism is.
In general I know what a determination is. As in ontologically (I am making this claim while wearing a "mathematical realist" hat - briefly and for pragmatic purposes).
It's just another word for a
yes/no decision.
The problem of underdetermination is about choosing which belief to hold in response to the available evidence. So side-step the problem - choose not to choose. Believe nothing - like a good agnostic. That doesn't prevent you from formulating all of your uncertainty as yes/no questions!
uwot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 11:20 pm
Have you been paying any attention to what I have written?
Yes, but maybe I don't understand your point?
uwot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 11:20 pm
Fucked if I know, quite frankly, but I'll know it when I see it.
OK. I didn't take you for a gnostic. If the answer is already in your head, maybe you should introspect and tell us all about it?
Meno's paradox...
uwot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 11:20 pm
I think the evidence is already pretty compelling, but hey - underdetermination and all that.
Moot point. I am asking you a straight-forward yes/no question - I am asking you to make a determination, and you are avoiding commitment like a whore avoids church.
In your purview, does the proposition "Spacetime is a medium" have three possible answers? Namely: Yes, No or Maybe.
Or I could turn it into a multiple-choice:
A. The proposition "Spacetime is a medium" has three possible answers. Namely: Yes, No or Maybe.
B. The proposition "Spacetime is a medium" has two possible answers. Namely: No or Maybe.
uwot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 05, 2020 11:20 pm
No Skepdick, let's avoid the talk of "interpretations"; my "Maybe" is maybe; it is you that interprets it as yes.
OK, so you are still going to play the "semantic jiggery-pokery". Then I am going to turn this a game of 20 questions, so that I can extract the information I need from you in order to understand you.
Does the available evidence convince you that spacetime is a medium? And if you are going to answer me with a "maybe", then go right ahead and explain to me what the hell it means to be "maybe convinced".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_bivalence