Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Dec 26, 2019 9:07 pm
duszek wrote: ↑Thu Dec 26, 2019 5:56 pm
Is telling a lie to oneself the same as avoiding admitting some obvious and unpleasant truth ?
That your boyfriend is a jerk, for instance.
Good question.
The interesting thing about self-deception is that you are both the perp and the victim. And that looks very odd.
If you secretly know that what you're saying isn't true, then you aren't
deceived, really.
You are just really being
a liar and a perpetrator.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Dec 26, 2019 9:07 pm But if you actually deeply believe what you're saying, then you aren't
perpetrating a lie, just telling the truth
as you know it.
Thee Truth IS, if you actually deeply believe what you are saying, then you are not telling the truth
as you know it, you are telling the truth
as YOU THINK you know it.
Two very big differences, and a very big distinction, which reveals the actual Truth of things, from just what is a perceived truth, which is, in fact, NOT true.
If you actually deeply believe what you are saying, but you do not have any actual facts, evidence, and proof for this belief and saying, then you are in a sense actually
perpetrating a lie, and worse still perpetrating that lie on your own "self". You, therefore, are
telling a lie to "yourself"
If you now assume or believe that you are not telling a lie to "yourself", then you are actually
perpetrating another lie and to "yourself", again.
Lies and deception are very strongly held up within assuming and believing.
'you', "immanuel can", are just once again 'trying to' fool and trick "yourself", through lies and deceptions, that 'you' are not a perpetrator, nor a victim.
This is the actual game that perpetrators and victims play with "themselves". They lie and deceive and be deceived, and lie, to "themselves".
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Dec 26, 2019 9:07 pmSo one way, you're not really a victim, and in the other, you aren't a perp. So in what sense are you self-deceived?
When you are being Truly Honest, then that is when you will work it out, which is very easy by the way.
NOT knowing 'thy Self' is the sense in which 'you' ARE self-deceived.