Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:50 pm
Age wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 6:31 am
What do you mean "No".
How can you dispute what is True?
It isn't. That's all I can tell you. You're wrong there.
So, with NO evidence and NO proof, you just tell me "I am wrong".
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:50 pm(I'm always amused by the question, "What do you mean, 'No.'" It's like the speaker thinks you can make an answer simpler than two letters.
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I find things just as amusing when a THOUGHT is made, and then BELIEVED to be true, that there was even some question to answer, like what just happened here.
You ASSUMING that you were actually answering some thing like a question is just more evidence and more proof of how assumptions and beliefs stop and prevent human beings from SEE
what IS thee Truth of
what IS actually happening around them.
I just made a comment, if you, however, do not believe it to be true, then so be it. But just saying, "No", does not answer and does not say absolutely any thing at all. As can now be evidenced. Also, a right thinking human being would have at least some sort of evidence or proof to back up and support their belief. But openly admit that you BELIEVE "I am wrong" based on absolutely nothing at all. You can not even saying any thing other than "You are wrong here".
And adults wonder why they get laughed at and not taken serious.
'you', "immanuel can", are a PRIME EXAMPLE of WHY BELIEVING or DISBELIEVING is HOW 'you', human beings, deceive "your own selves", which is more funny here because you wanting to be a "christian" means you want to listen to and follow God, but here you are doing the very opposite, by rejecting God and listening to and following 'deception', which is just "your" own "self", 'the devil', instead.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:50 pmKnowing God, and not just believing in God, actually stops all longing, all together.
Good heavens, no. It just changes what you think is important.
Is that what happened with 'you', and what 'you' do?
I certainly do NOT long for absolutely any thing at all.
Therefore, your "Good heavens, no", does NOT Truly speak for any one else but 'you'.
The OBVIOUS Truth is 'you' are NOT speaking for 'Me'.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:50 pmImmanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:17 am Rather, it makes you attentive to the meaning of things right here and now, as well.
And if you were Truly Attentive, Truly Conscious, and or Truly Aware, then you would already KNOW the meaning of things right here and now, including the meaning of Life, Itself, which would then lead you onto realizing that this is the ONLY Life, and there is NO so called "after-life" from the interpretation, which you have been taught and BELIEVE is true.
I'm perfectly aware this is what you believe.
I don't.
Well you have just PROVEN that 'your' awareness is perfectly WRONG.
I do NOT believe that at all. (Take and assume that anyway you like.)
Also, we are all perfectly aware what you believe, and do not believe.
By the way, at least my views can be PROVEN True, WITH EVIDENCE, while your views and believes obviously can not be.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:50 pmIf, as you say, you are ATTENTIVE to the meaning of things, then what is the unambiguous, irrefutable Answer the very simple clarifying question; What is the meaning of Life?
To know God.
LOL
So, according to "immanuel can" "logic", only those living things, which have the ability to know God, have meaning, correct?
If yes, then what is 'the meaning of life' to those living things that do not have the ability to know God?
If, however, no, then what IS correct, from your perspective?
Do 'you' KNOW God?
If yes, then who and/or what IS God?
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:50 pmImmanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:17 am You stop seeing the world as disposable or as a resource for your self-focused projects, and start seeing your role within a larger plan for the world.
So, why then do you keep just using up the resources and just disposing of them in the polluting ways that you are doing right now, in the days of when this is written, just for your own personal self-focused "projects", which is; in very simple, more Honest terms, is just; your greed?
Of whom are you speaking?
'you', "immanuel can", personally.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:50 pm I don't personally do this, nor do the vast majority of my fellow Christians, to my knowledge.
(You may perhaps find some odd cases -- anything's possible -- but I know of none.)
The absolute DECEPTION is become STARTLINGLY BLINDING now.
The amount of deception is Truly amazing. Your words here are the PRIME EXAMPLE of 'you', adult human beings, in the days of when this is written. That is; You actually BELIEVE that 'you' do not do wrong, and it is only "OTHER" people who do.
Are you REALLY 'trying to' tell us that 'you', "immanuel can", personally do not currently use up any of the limited resources of earth, which destroys earth, and also do not dispose of any stuff that inevitably turns into pollution, which again destroys earth?
If yes, then okay. (But the only one who 'you' are fooling and deceiving is 'you').
If no, then what do you mean you write and say, "I don't personally do this"?
Also, WHY would any one be so BLIND that their own chosen labeled group of human beings do NOT pollute and destroy earth, and it is only those in the "other" labeled groups who are doing the harm and damage, and the WRONG.
If this was not so serious and not so blatantly STUPID and BLIND-SIGHTED, then it would be absolutely hilarious.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:50 pmObviously, as an adult,
Now, this repeated appeal of yours to what is true of "adults" makes it necessary for me to press the question you haven't answered yet.
HOW OLD ARE YOU? I need to know, so I can judge what I can expect you to have in your range of experience, so I can refer to things you understand, and speak to you on a more intelligible level for you. So please answer at the start of your next reply. Thanks.[/quote]
There is NO need for you to "press" at all. As I have explained WHY.
All you NEED to do to speak completely intelligibly so that you are FULLY understood by any one reading and writing in this forum, is to just be Truly OPEN and Honest. There is NO need to know the the age of 'me', "age". Also, when and IF 'you' ever work out, discover, and/or learn who and what the True Self is, then 'you' WILL understand My True age.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:50 pmyou are a greedy human being,
You do not know me.
I KNOW 'you', more than 'you' know 'you'. This can be easily proven, and very simply also.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:50 pmAre you judging me without knowing? Why?
No, to your first question, so the second question here was only based solely on your own assumptions and beliefs, which, once again, have lead you completely astray. I advise that if you want to learn and see the Truth of things for how they Really ARE, then remaining OPEN always is the best advice. The easiest way to remain Truly OPEN always is to NEVER assume nor believe any thing whatsoever at all.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:50 pm I'm not offended, but really surprised.
Surprised on what exactly?
Are you now as surprised also about how your own assumption and/or belief just now was absolutely and completely WRONG?
By the way I do NOT "judge" you at all. I just KNOW 'you' better than 'you' do, and I just SHOW this. As I say 'you' are completely FREE to choose to do whatever 'you' WANT TO DO.
I am NEVER going to judge you, nor will I EVER tell you what to do.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:50 pm...what you have said here does NOT logically follow on from what you BELIEVE is true.
So you say. But you're wrong.
But I have ALREADY PROVEN this. Obviously 'you' would NOT, yet, be able to SEE this because 'you' are the one BLINDING "your self" to thee Truth of things. 'you' are doing this with and by your very own BELIEFS and ASSUMPTIONS.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:50 pmConsidering how many times I have informed you that I neither believe nor disbelieve any thing,
No, THERE'S an implausible claim.
WHY is this a supposedly "implausible claim"?
Do you ALREADY KNOW thee absolute Truth of things here?
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:50 pm I can see from your own responses that there are many things you believe.
LOL, ONCE AGAIN, you could not be more WRONG.
REMEMBER, what you SEE (and BELIEVE) may not necessarily be True.
Until 'you' bring your views out in the OPEN for ALL to SEE about EXACTLY what is 'IT' that you BELIEVE I believe, instead of hiding your views and beliefs exactly like you are here, in the truly devilish and deceptive way that you are, and then these views are allowed to be LOOKED AT and discussed, ONLY THEN, if what you BELIEVE is true, will be SEEN to be True, or False.
Until then what you say, but never actually reveal, is just your own hidden version of the truth, which OBVIOUSLY could be just completely and absolutely utterly WRONG.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:50 pmYou may think you're completely above believing things, but you're decidedly not.
LOL talk about "judging", AND talk telling "another" what thoughts are actually inside that body, as if the former one could even know.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:50 pm For example, you have a belief about what being a Theist entails, don't you?
No, not at all.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:50 pm If you don't, then you would have had no grounds for questioning what I told you about that. But you did.
Once again, here is ANOTHER PRIME EXAMPLE of a human being JUMPING straight into ASSUMING and CONCLUDING, before any clarifying at all, which, once again, is MORE EVIDENCE and PROOF how one CLOSES them off from the real actual Truth of things, and therefore is also STOPPING "them self" from SEEING the actual Truth of things.
I know you can not see, hear, and/or understand this, but, I do NOT need to believe, nor disbelieve, absolutely ANY thing to have the grounds for questioning. I ALREADY KNOW thee actual Truth of things here, so I just NEED to remain OPEN in order to keep asking the right clarifying questions.
Therefore, your whole so called "reasoning" here does NOT work, like just about ALL of your other so called "reasoning" does not work. Your beliefs and assumptions are interfering with and distorting your ability to reason, logically.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:50 pmBut maybe what you really mean is only "I'm Nihilistic, and in despair."
Not at all.
Why would you even think/assume that way? In fact WHY would you even assume any thing at all?
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:50 pmIn that case, I have some sympathy for your situation. But you still believe things. One thing you'd surely believe, if you were a Nihilist, is that life is meaningless. That's a belief.
SEE how quickly human beings can go so far astray, so simple and so easily, when they assume, before they clarify?
I do not have a situation. I neither believe nor disbelieve things. There is nothing here that I would surely believe, even if i were a "nihilist", which I could NEVER even be anyway. I KNOW the meaning to Life, and other things, so I certainly would NEVER believe any such thing as 'Life is meaningless'. To even consider that 'Life is meaningless' would be to completely oppose what I SEE. This is NOT a belief.
So, just about EVERY thing you said here could NOT be more WRONG than it was, and IS.
By the way, some might say that having sympathy for some thing that is completely nonexistent, and as such is a complete figment of one's imagination and/or belief-system, would bound on being at the verge of insanity.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:50 pmImmanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:17 am But I am saying there are good Theistic reasons for not interpreting life as a waste and dispatching yourself.
So, what are they?
I've already spoken of them. It's because in Christianity, this life is a preparing grounds for eternal life and friendship with God.
LOL this is like saying this life is because of a big bang. BOTH are as STUPID to say, and as illogical and unreasonable to say, as each other.
'you', human beings, Truly are completely BLINDED by your own distorted and illogical BELIEFS.
OBVIOUSLY, a "good "theistic reason" for not interpreting things in a certain way that goes against "christianity", itself, would be because "In christianity" there is a certain way to interpret things. So, at least you are being logical here. However, you obviously misunderstood my question.
I will make my clarifying question in a more obvious way, in which I meant it. What alone are the 'good reasons' for not interpreting life as a waste and dispatching yourself?
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:50 pmAlso, what could possibly 'prepare' some one for eternal life and friendship with God?
In the True sense of God, being born into this one and only eternal Life is being in friendship with God. That is; If 'you', adult human beings, did not get in the way of this with your completely illogical and irrational BELIEFS and ASSUMPTIONS, which can be SEEN above, and throughout this forum, and "world" in which you have created with and from those beliefs/thoughts.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:50 pm The things through which we pass here have immense, lasting value in our thinking.
Lol and where and how do 'you' propose "our" thinking will exist outside of this one and only eternal Life?
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:50 pmEven the sufferings of this life are dignified by contributing to the shaping of our characters and the forming of our selves.
But IF ANY of 'you' are suffering, then OBVIOUSLY some thing that 'you' are doing IS WRONG, and therefore must need changing.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:50 pmImmanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:17 amI'm not proposing to speak for all "adults."
But your very last sentence you were proposing to speak for (all?) adults.
No, I was not. I can speak only for myself, my fellow Christians (to a limited extent) and for Theists (to an even more limited extent). I don't propose to speak for every adult.
Noted. 'you' can only speak for "yourself", for absolutely EVERY one "else" then you are LIMITED.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:50 pmImmanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:17 amThe world is not a very nice place, in some ways.
The sole and ONLY reason WHY this is so is because 'you' adult human beings have made it this way.
Don't look at me, on that score. I inherited the world the way it is. So do we all.
Typical response of an adult human being. I do NOT cause the problems in Life. This is because I do NOT do WRONG.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:50 pmThis again suggests to me you must be quite young.
You ASSUMING that I was even thinking any thing like suggests that could be STUPID beyond "belief". SEEING one's own made up ASSUMPTIONS being true, BEFORE any clarification has actually been done, leaves that one completely CLOSED to any thing else. Therefore, that one being an exact definition of 'stupidity'.
Seeing one's very own made up ASSUMPTION as being what suggest some thing some "else" had done or said, completely removes ANY and ALL Truth from this.
The "conclusion" you arrived at now, and have had along anyway, that I am "young" is based off what 'you' ASSUMED/IMAGINED I was thinking, which was so absolutely WRONG that it is completely laughable.
You could NOT be more mistaken here even if you wanted to be.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:50 pmIt's a perspective only someone very young could take.
Thee actual Truth IS that is a perspective that only someone like 'you' could have imagined and made up.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:50 pm But let me know in your next message, so I get that right.
i have already explained what I am going to NOT do in regards with providing you a number in this regard.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:50 pmImmanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:17 am
So again, I ask: how old are you? Sincere question.
Answering that would detract from the points I am making,
No. It would help us talk intelligibly to one another.
Provide the two different examples you would give for explaining the same thing if I said I was 17 or 77.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:50 pm Your arguments suggest very strongly you're a teenager.
But you have proven that you can not even yet differentiate between a comment, a question, and an argument, so what APPEARS to you is NOT my argument, but YOUR interpretation of what I have written.
There are MANY upon MANY times you have NOT even understood the words I used in the way I used them, let alone understood the actual meaning behind them and/or behind the meaning behind the whole sentence and/or the whole paragraph of what I am saying.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:50 pm I can figure that much out. I just can't tell exactly where in that range you fall.
LOL You are NOT even close to imagining the Truth, let alone being close to being able to figure out what you believe you have, let alone even getting close to ANY range at all.
ALL 'you' are 'trying to' do is look more superior than "another". This is because 'you' actually BELIEVE that 'you', adults, are more intelligent than children are.
The actual Truth of things will surprise you beyond you have even ever previously imagined. 'you', adults, are far more CLOSED thus far more STUPID than children ever will be.
By the way would you explain things differently if I was in the lower range of teenager than if I was in the higher range?
If no, then WHY the absolute necessity to KNOW the EXACT age? You have already figured out that 'I am a teenager', right? Is that not good enough for you?
If you would explain things differently to a younger teenager than to an older teenager, then please go ahead and provide examples of how you would do this.