I'm sorry...I can't clarify farther than God Himself does.
What I can tell you is this: we have a chance now, in "the Day of Salvation" to make a good choice. I can also tell you that later we can't or won't make a different choice. But I cannot tell you precisely why you won't -- whether by compulsion or by pride. I can only offer suppositions and reasonings on that. I don't have Scripture to tell me for sure.
The only teaching about a man in Hell that we have on this subject is in Luke 16:19-31. It's the story of the rich man and Lazarus. I invite you to consider it.after finding myself still "alive" in Hell, i'll know you were right and i was wrong and repent!
Answering you: we have not one single example in Scripture of a soul going from Hell to Heaven. Not one. But we do find explicit teaching that lost is forever. So one can decide to believe what God says about that, or not...but to be wrong about this is to lose one's soul, so it's not a thing to hover in uncertainty about.will your God save me from Hell or let me burn forever in Hell as a Christian (formerly Athiest as a mortal).
asking you Sir.
I can't speak about what you have seen so far. What I can say is this: that at this moment, you're talking to a Christian about salvation. And he's telling you what God says about it. So you'll never be able to say to God, "I had no idea" -- at least, not after today.
It's not that it "doesn't count." It's that if you were faced with Almighty God, you would no longer have any choice at all about whether or not you believed in Him, or wanted to choose Him. Your free will would be over, and not because of anything He did, but because of who He is. You would simply be unable to doubt Him anymore.but in the next "life" (in Hell in my case/Heaven in yours) - upon seeing god then, "it don't count" for your God?
What it says is that it's very gracious of God to allow us a period of time in which we are genuinely free to choose to love Him or not. That's awfully kind, and much kinder than He needs to be.what does it say about your God if that is so?
Well, again...I point you to Luke 16.and with a humble heart from the belly of Hell itself as a lost soul for the first time knowing your God and asking for his love and repreive, will give it to me?
That's not a problem."now" is an infinately small irrelvancy to the overal timeline of immoral souls
Like I said earlier, the period of time you stand at the altar making a decision about the woman you marry is a very, very short period of time. But you're expected to hold to that decision. The period of time we have in life is more than ample for a man or woman to make up his or her mind about where they want to spend eternity.
Apparently yes. After all, we're talking about it right now, aren't we?
No because there's also enough latitude to disbelieve, if one's inclination runs that way. And people can be awfully impervious to evidence.If your assurtion were true we would all be Christians
I'm not a Calvinist. I don't believe in election. That's just Determinism in a religious outfit. I believe God gives us free will, and He responds to our choice when we make it.So you God only show "just enough" for the "elect" to see him, and the rest be damned.
That would be up to you. I would hope you would choose otherwise. But like God, I'll only ask and inform, not force you to that opinion.I'm fucked then (on Earth and in Hell).
so be it.
The Gnostics don't believe that, actually...it's the Calvinists who do. And they don't believe in free will. I do.
Because to honour someone's decision means to make it come about. If someone decided to be with God, then to make that come about. If someone decides not to be, to make that come about. But if God subverts your decision, then He never really honoured your freedom or individuality at all.
So that he would have both volitional freedom AND eternal life.if man has an immortal soul, what is the purpose of having his action while on earth set in concrete - fixed upon his death.
You're playing a numbers game there. What matters is not how long your time of opportunity is, but how sufficient, adequate and genuine. You have enough time....assuming man has a soul and it is immortal, then its life while on Earth is irrelivent per the timeline of immortality, so why the fuck would any actions of said immortal soul on the earth have any relivence per its overall "live" as a spirit with freewill?
But if God is going to honour your choice, when is that going to happen? It cannot be postponed forever, or it is not really being done at all.
I'm not. God is saying what is the case there. My opinion is not involved.
Because free choice must be honoured, eventually; which means its choice must be allowed to stand. Or it has not been freedom, and God has not honoured your choice at all.
It's not their actions He is concerned about. They are, as James says, merely the evidence of the faith, and the faith is the essential thing. What concerns God is the hearts of men. Some choose to be in relationship to Him, and others choose not to be.let me ask you this,
why does your God waste an immortal soul if all He cares about are the actions of said souls while on Earth a few short years?
And right now, are you not conscious of the choice you're talking about? You're proposing to wait until you're dead, then hope you will want and have a way to repent, if that's how things turn out. You know exactly what you're choosing.
Because God loves and wants us. Death was not His original purpose for us. It's just a very unfortunate side-effect of us using our freedom to take a bad alternative by rejecting God.whats the point in giving us immortal souls?
So you say. But you have no idea whether or not you will, because you're not there now.I'll choose from Hell.
Luke 16.will your God hear me?
Because if you're wrong (and obviously, on the basis of Scripture I think you are) then you will have made your last mistake.
But if you choose that, you'll have deserved it, won't you? You'll have been given a chance to choose the way God has provided for you to be in relationship with Him, and you'll already have despised it.
Why would you do that now? I don't know. If I were you, I wouldn't. But it's your choice. I'm just saying that God will honour your choice about that.
Now, you do.
I do.i know you believe in a just god.
He won't need to, I think: you'll do it yourself, if that's the route you choose.so why would your god castrate my soul upon death to deny me knowing him from Hell?
What specific passage are you referring to there?your Jesus preached to those in hell for the 3 days he was dead (peter 2).
So is God's. Except His conception of justice actually determines what happens in the end.
Well, God is the final judge. That's what makes men rightly humble. It's the realization that man is not all-knowing, all-powerful, righteous and just. That should keep us humble.as stated many times. i'm not into the blaime game, and strive to be Humble, which is a virtue BTW.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Dec 07, 2019 11:48 pm Now, when you've really made your choice, you can't blame Him for confirming it for you. It was your choice in the first place. He doesn't owe you to reverse a bad choice. What we all owe, when we make a choice, is to live with its natural consequences. If we tell God, "I want nothing to do with You," then we can't complain when we get that...no matter how long it lasts. It was our choice.
But God is Judge. And He's a righteous Judge. And He's the all-powerful Judge. He makes no mistakes. And He's never unfair, even when we don't get what He's doing.
His word is final on these things. And our preferences are not decisive. Humility also reminds us of that.
Good chatting with you.