surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 10:31 am
Age wrote:
This time you make the claim that you provided the answer but then say that you will NOT repeat it leading one to conclude that if you can
not or will not repeat it then this could infer that REALLY you did not even provide it in the first place . This can be EVIDENCED and PROVEN
in and by your own words
Saying I missed it even though it obviously is NOT even there but then saying you missed it SO I am not going to repeat it does not even
logically follow by itself . Let alone that what it really does is hint to the fact the you NEVER actually provided said Answer at all
You now CLAIM that I have missed as usual your answer which you supposedly have already given so now back up this claim
with a link to that answer which would also be the EVIDENCE and PROOF needed for this now new claim of YOURS
In the time it took you to type all of this you could instead have looked for the actual quote which despite your claim is actually there
Here is ANOTHER ONE, who does NOT SEE and/or does NOT understand the actual words I use.
You claim I made a claim, which I SEE you KNOW, is ABSOLUTELY WRONG as well as being ABSOLUTELY ABSURD.
If you, people, READ the ACTUAL WORDS that I USE, then it can be SEEN you are so far mistaken, that it now becomes harder and harder to get it back ON TRACK.
I used the words "said Answer". Therefore, what I claim is ABSOLUTELY True, Right, and Correct, which makes your claim, False, Wrong, and/or Incorrect.
As you say there is an actual quote, but in that quote is just AN answer. It is NOT thee Answer I was asking for in my clarifying question. I KNOW you have NOT yet been able to see this, but there is an absolutely HUGE difference.
Hopefully, this is FINALLY understood and settled. But, on past experiences, I doubt it very much. And considering that there is to much FEAR in "others" to just clarify or challenge what I said AND meant, I can SEE the same just things just being re-repeated. That is; what is PRESUMED to be true, will be expressed as thought IT IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE.
surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 10:31 amthe answer is that neither come first in that they both arise in the same instant namely NOW
Did you READ and UNDERSTAND the question that I asked to be clarified? I will answer for you because you are consistently "mentally", "out of energy". The answer is an OBVIOUS, No. If you had actually READ and UNDERSTOOD, then you would have SEEN that that answer provided previously, has NOTHING at all in regards to the actual question I posed, and thus thee Answer sort.
I KNEW all along the answer given by "dontaskme". I also KNEW that it was NOT the Answer I asked for.
surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 10:31 amYou have also used the words irrefutable and unambiguous but they are not her words but yours so that is a strawman
Of course they are NOT any one "else's" words, and ONLY my words. I am thee One asking the question, which the words were in, OBVIOUSLY.
So, when the claim is made that the answer to my question had already been given, then this is what I am disputing.
I used those words, BEFORE the claim was made that the Answer to that question, with those words, had already been answered.
Obviously, that answer given was NEVER any thing like the one I posed asking for.
Thee Truth IS this OBVIOUS.
Your "strawman" is, therefore, what you human beings call a "strawman" itself.
LOOK, I asked a question containing the words UNAMBIGUOUS and IRREFUTABLE, some one said they KNOW the answer. What the actual Truth is ALREADY EVIDENCED. Thee Answer to my question was NEVER given BEFORE nor AFTER I asked the question.
surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 10:31 amShe simply gave an answer which you were apparently unable to find even though I managed to find it straight away
I read and thus KNEW that exact answer PRIOR to my clarifying question. So, I NEVER had to "find" it. Therefore, there was NO need to even LOOK FOR IT.
IF what I had written was Truly UNDERSTOOD, OR just clarified FIRST, then ALL of the ASSUMPTIONS made PRIOR to clarification would NOT now be being exposed, for what they Truly ARE, and NON of the confusion, which 'you', human beings, are making here now would NOT have even taken place in the beginning.
surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 10:31 amI have also given a different answer to the same question if you are interested
Is it an unambiguous, irrefutable Answer? The answer is No.
You are absolutely correct in that you gave 'a' answer. But just like the other answer WAS and IS 'a' answer, it is OBVIOUSLY, NOT thee Answer I asked for. So, I could have LOOKED FOR eternity, and have NEVER found thee Answer.
I KNOW what thee Answer IS, but I have NOT YET given It, therefore It does NOT exist anywhere in writing, YET, when this is written.
By the way I ALREADY KNEW you provided your own personal, subjective, and relative to you ONLY answer.
SEE, I KNOW what the unambiguous, irrefutable Answer IS. Where as 'you' and "other" do NOT. Even though one of you CLAIMS to KNOW It.
surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 10:31 amI also do not claim mine is irrefutable and unambiguous but I do think it is true
LOL
Every one thinks that what they THINK, is true. OBVIOUSLY, they would NOT be thinking it.
Also, what do you mean when you write; "also". Obviously you do NOT claim your answer is irrefutable and unambiguous, but, this is the WHOLE point. The "other" person IS CLAIMING that they KNOW what the irrefutable and unambiguous Answer IS. And, that person also CLAIMED that they had provided thee irrefutable and unambiguous Answer, ALREADY, which was OBVIOUSLY absolutely NOT true at all.
surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 10:31 amUnlike the mind and body the egg and chicken can actually be separated from each other and the egg came before the chicken
The simpler an organism is then the earlier it comes into existence where it can exist in complete isolation from anything else
So, what laid the egg, which produced a chicken? A donkey?
If a chicken did not lay the egg, from which a chicken hatched, then what did?
Just because the simpler an organism is, this has absolutely NO bearing on when exactly it comes into Existence. A fertilized egg, within a female human body, for example, is a much simpler organism than the human beings, which created it, but this in no way infers that that egg came into existence first before human beings did, obviously.
Also, and by the way, I could say some thing to CORRECT what is WRONG, and that is the Mind CAN be separated from the body, extremely easily and very simply, as well. But since I am NOT allowed to say absolutely any thing which could construed as "off topic", then I will not.
surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 10:31 amBoth of these quotes are in the last post on page 3 of this thread which had you actually looked for you would have found very easily
I KNOW and KNEW that they were here in this thread. I had ALREADY SEEN them and READ them, previously.
I do NOT care about any one's personal, subjective, thought to be true, relative to them only, answer, which to me are OBVIOUSLY wrong anyway. I just asked a clarifying question, with very specific words, for a very specific reason. But this was obviously MISSED.
surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 08, 2019 10:31 amBut you did not even bother to look for the quote in question because you did not think that it was there even though it obviously is
LOL How simply and how quickly things get completely WRONG, when ASSUMPTIONS are made BEFORE clarification is made FIRST.
Just IMAGINE what would occur if clarification was made FIRST, prior to ASSUMPTIONS being made up, and "CONCLUSIONS" are arrived at?
OBVIOUSLY, so many of these absolutely WRONG comments would NOT be continually being made. What would also occur is thee actual Truth of things could be, and would be, SEEN, as well as being KNOWN.
You were ABSOLUTELY WRONG about me "not thinking that that quote was there". But, in saying that, you were absolutely RIGHT and CORRECT in that I did not even bother to look for the quote. This is because I had ALREADY SEEN the quote, and therefore there was absolutely NO need for me to go looking for it again.
Therefore, your ASSUMPTION, which was completely WRONG, which let you completely ASTRAY, could NOT have been MORE WRONG, even you tried to make it more wrong, or even if you wanted it to be more wrong.
It seems that no matter how many times I say and use the words;
If you do NOT assume any thing, and do NOT believe any thing, then you can and will be far more open, and IF you are completely OPEN, then you can and will SEE the Truth of things
They just seem to BE MISSED and/or NOT UNDERSTOOD.
This thread is become a PRIME EXAMPLE of this FACT.